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Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jan 3 @ 9:43 AM ET
so you're saying we could've had provorov much sooner if we had just signed Suter to a 13 year contract?
- YuenglingJagr


I'm really glad those contracts were outlawed in the current CBA. And I hope the max term gets reduced even further in the next one.

But I think he's going to hold up better than Weber and Parise.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 3 @ 9:45 AM ET
Didn't Homer try that after he lost out on Weber?
- jmatchett383

Yeah, it was just a joke, but I remember reports that Flyers were very much in on Suter AND Parise. I believe they were actually rumored to have offered bigger contracts, but they decided to sign together in Minnesota. ...then Carle left
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 3 @ 9:46 AM ET
I'm really glad those contracts were outlawed in the current CBA. And I hope the max term gets reduced even further in the next one.

But I think he's going to hold up better than Weber and Parise.

- Feanor

I agree
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jan 3 @ 9:48 AM ET
Minnesota is a popular destination for hockey players, it seems. Eric Staal would have been a nice stop-gap center with size for us, but I don't think he considered going anywhere but the Wild.

So this surprised me. The Wild's 3C is Erik Haula who has 11 points in 26 games, and their 4C is a 2011 7th round pick named Tyler Graovac who has 3 points in 28 games. But they are still being very successful thanks to their two big centers, and a lot of scoring from the wings. Coyle and Granlund are having career years.

http://puckbase.com/stats...ceoff-percentage?team=MIN
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 3 @ 9:49 AM ET
I'm really glad those contracts were outlawed in the current CBA. And I hope the max term gets reduced even further in the next one.

But I think he's going to hold up better than Weber and Parise.

- Feanor


I think that the rumors of Weber's demise are inaccurate. And I know what the numbers say. But watching him (granted, I haven't seen him as much as in past years), but, while he's not as dominant as he was in the early 2010's, he's not this waste of space 3rd pairing/AHL tweener that some make him out to be. To me, he's still a legit top-pair defender.

But yes, I hope Provorov has a longer/better prime than those 2.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jan 3 @ 9:55 AM ET
I think that the rumors of Weber's demise are inaccurate. And I know what the numbers say. But watching him (granted, I haven't seen him as much as in past years), but, while he's not as dominant as he was in the early 2010's, he's not this waste of space 3rd pairing/AHL tweener that some make him out to be. To me, he's still a legit top-pair defender.

But yes, I hope Provorov has a longer/better prime than those 2.

- jmatchett383


I think Weber's prime is fine. It's the 35+ years that worry me more than they do with Suter who is a better skater.
KGBflyers10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 10.28.2007

Jan 3 @ 9:55 AM ET
Scott Laughton will be on the team next year unless Vegas takes him or there's a trade. He might not be a good option, but he's definitely an option considering he was already used as the 3C as a 20 year old.
- Feanor


In which he was nothing special...
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jan 3 @ 10:02 AM ET
In which he was nothing special...
- KGBflyers10


I would summarize his NHL career so far as:

2014-15: Solid two-way play, showed speed but very little offense, got knocked out by a headshot
2015-16: Disappointing defensive play forcing move to 4th line and to LW, surprisingly high offensive production in limited minutes, got knocked out by the boards
2016-17: Injured in camp, struggled in two NHL games, got sent down to be 1C in AHL, ........
2017-18: ????????
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 3 @ 10:09 AM ET
I would summarize his NHL career so far as:

2014-15: Solid two-way play, showed speed but very little offense, got knocked out by a headshot
2015-16: Disappointing defensive play forcing move to 4th line and to LW, surprisingly high offensive production in limited minutes, got knocked out by the boards
2016-17: Injured in camp, struggled in two NHL games, got sent down to be 1C in AHL, ........
2017-18: ????????

- Feanor


The thing that worries me is that, before he got injured in camp, he was being overshadowed by Cousins, who he was basically in competition with. Not that Cousins is necessarily a bad player, but I didn't see the same "compete" that Cousins has when neither were assured of a spot.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jan 3 @ 10:11 AM ET
The thing that worries me is that, before he got injured in camp, he was being overshadowed by Cousins, who he was basically in competition with. Not that Cousins is necessarily a bad player, but I didn't see the same "compete" that Cousins has when neither were assured of a spot.
- jmatchett383


That worries me, too. He probably would have started the season in the AHL if he hadn't got hurt.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 3 @ 10:29 AM ET
Just pointing out what Stanley Cup champion #1 dmen look like. Provy has a long way to go before he's at that level. Point being, don't trade away the prospects until we know what we have. Let them all develop.
- moylander


I agree with you 100% on that. Just that points arent the only way to look at it.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jan 3 @ 10:29 AM ET
So m residency applications are in. Jfc
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 3 @ 10:30 AM ET
The Red Wings should've worn red helmets in their outdoor game. With so much white they were nearly invisible.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jan 3 @ 10:30 AM ET
Everything is literally.....


- PLindbergh31

Actually Cupcake, you're wrong.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jan 3 @ 10:33 AM ET
Wow. Didn't know any of this. Bad luck not getting the first pick. My gripe was JVR was traded when his value was at it's lowest. In theory the trade made sense. At the time dealing from an area of strength to address a glaring weakness.
- PLindbergh31

Couldn't get all three of Edmonton's picks. Just another reason Holglerin is the (frank)ing worst, right Cupcake?
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 12.15.2011

Jan 3 @ 10:37 AM ET
With Myers dead, Hart not starting.....this Canada game is going to suck ass. The only thing that could possibly make me watch is David Kase doing his energizer bunny stuff
- Mononoke

Myers is hurt?
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jan 3 @ 10:37 AM ET
Penn State blowing itttttt
- PhillySportsGuy

We aren't.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 3 @ 10:38 AM ET
Myers is hurt?
- Giroux_Is_God

He has an upper body concussion
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 3 @ 10:38 AM ET
We aren't.
- Giroux_Is_God

f u 2 buddy
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 12.15.2011

Jan 3 @ 10:39 AM ET
He has an upper body concussion
- YuenglingJagr

No really I've been out of the loop for a week between residency stuff and NYE drunken antics and Google didn't help
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jan 3 @ 10:42 AM ET
I wanna throw out there that On Sunday, I thought we looked better than we have since the streak ended. We're healthy, the line up looks the way it should. We doubled up the Ducks in shots at home and they're a good team. I think all indications were that Stolarz should have started after his team periods in St Jose and mason has to be so tired but outside of this, I thought we worked to our strengths. I like the balance of our team, even without Streit and Schultz.
Coleman
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Summerside, PEI
Joined: 02.14.2007

Jan 3 @ 10:57 AM ET
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/237271

Is this the answer? It's somebody's

- Just5


As much as I like him, I'd definitely do that Ghost for Trouba trade. I doubt Wpg would, though. They tend to shoot a bit high in trade values. I think Sanheim would pick up any difference in offense next year if it did happen, though.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jan 3 @ 10:59 AM ET
As much as I like him, I'd definitely do that Ghost for Trouba trade. I doubt Wpg would, though. They tend to shoot a bit high in trade values. I think Sanheim would pick up any difference in offense next year if it did happen, though.
- Coleman


Nonsense.

Club need not explore improvement. All is well.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jan 3 @ 11:02 AM ET
As much as I like him, I'd definitely do that Ghost for Trouba trade. I doubt Wpg would, though. They tend to shoot a bit high in trade values. I think Sanheim would pick up any difference in offense next year if it did happen, though.
- Coleman


I don't think I'll ever understand peoples obsession with Trouba
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 3 @ 11:07 AM ET
I don't think I'll ever understand peoples obsession with Trouba
- PhillySportsGuy


Big, young, right-handed, plays all manpower situations.

That said, would not trade Ghost for him 1-for-1.
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