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GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

Jan 3 @ 10:48 PM ET
Did they win or lose? I can't tell from the comments.
- jochfr


Killed them but disco lives on
BeadyEyedDouche
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Rustmine Ramsum most exciting Sabres klugdragger since Taro Tsujimoto
Joined: 07.01.2016

Jan 3 @ 10:51 PM ET
My expectations of a guy who was the first forward taken in his class are just different than yours.

He's a solid player. I'm not disputing that. If he keeps this pace and scores 55 points, Ill feel differently than when he was on pace for 38 after the first 16 games

- sbroads24


So what other forwards from that draft besides Draisaitl (who gets to play with McFreak) are outperforming Reinhart?

I'll hang up and listen.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jan 3 @ 10:57 PM ET
So what other forwards from that draft besides Draisaitl (who gets to play with McFreak) are outperforming Reinhart?

I'll hang up and listen.

- BeadyEyedDouche

None of those "other forwards" were the 1st one chosen

And Ehlers has I think 33 points after tonight
Draisaitl has more than Reinhart
Fabbri has more than Reinhart
William Nylander now has 27 points (and is a rookie)
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM ET
So what other forwards from that draft besides Draisaitl (who gets to play with McFreak) are outperforming Reinhart?

I'll hang up and listen.

- BeadyEyedDouche

David Pastrnak too
BeadyEyedDouche
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Rustmine Ramsum most exciting Sabres klugdragger since Taro Tsujimoto
Joined: 07.01.2016

Jan 3 @ 11:04 PM ET
None of those "other forwards" were the 1st one chosen

And Ehlers has I think 33 points after tonight
Draisaitl has more than Reinhart
Fabbri has more than Reinhart
William Nylander now has 27 points (and is a rookie)

- sbroads24



Fabbri has as many points playing on a team with some of the best depth in the league, Tarasenko, and much better defense and coaching.

Draisaitl plays on a team with Connor McFreak.

Ehlers playing on a team with Laine, which is ranked 10th in the league with 109 goals for, with a much better defense than us.

Nylander playing on a team with hall of famer Auton Matthews, nuff said.


Reinhart hasn't had a consistent line mate all season on a team with possibly the worst D-core and a complete lack of team talent. I'd say he's performing much better than his stats show but what do I know, my eyes are beady.
BeadyEyedDouche
Buffalo Sabres
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Joined: 07.01.2016

Jan 3 @ 11:05 PM ET
David Pastrnak too
- sbroads24


Okay, he came out of nowhere as a goal scorer this season but he has like 1 more point than Reinhart, really.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jan 3 @ 11:07 PM ET
Fabbri has as many points playing on a team with some of the best depth in the league, Tarasenko, and much better defense and coaching.

Draisaitl plays on a team with Connor McFreak.

Ehlers playing on a team with Laine, who is ranked 10th in the league with 109 goals for, with a much better defense than us.

Nylander playing on a team with hall of famer Auton Matthews, nuff said.


Reinhart hasn't had a consistent line mate all season on a team with possibly the worst D-core and a complete lack of team talent. I'd say he's performing much better than his stats show but what do I know, my eyes are beady.

- BeadyEyedDouche

Here's my point. Reinhart should be closer to the bolded, than the guys like Fabbri who were picked in the middle of the round.

And, yes I realize he isn't McDavid.
BeadyEyedDouche
Buffalo Sabres
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Jan 3 @ 11:09 PM ET
Here's my point. Reinhart should be closer to the bolded, than the guys like Fabbri who were picked in the middle of the round.

And, yes I realize he isn't McDavid.

- sbroads24



Hahaha, what? Reinhart should be playing to the level of Tarasenko?

He was the first forward taken in a very weak draft and you want Tarasenko numbers right now.

Okay, guy lol.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jan 3 @ 11:12 PM ET
Hahaha, what? Reinhart should be playing to the level of Tarasenko?

He was the first forward taken in a very weak draft and you want Tarasenko numbers right now.

Okay, guy lol.

- BeadyEyedDouche

Yet the draft doesn't seem all that weak right now.



bluengold12
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 06.19.2012

Jan 3 @ 11:12 PM ET
Looks like Eklund was reading my blog post



"On Franson...

The Oilers are very serious about being a playoff team and they know they need more help on D and even at forward...Cody Franson fits the bill nicely...however the Sharks, who could just as easily not make any moves, are also tracking this player.."
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jan 3 @ 11:13 PM ET
Yet the draft doesn't seem all that weak right now.
- sbroads24


Compared to other years around it, it's dogpoop.
fastek
Buffalo Sabres
Location: CA
Joined: 02.19.2016

Jan 3 @ 11:13 PM ET
Hahaha, what? Reinhart should be playing to the level of Tarasenko?

He was the first forward taken in a very weak draft and you want Tarasenko numbers right now.

Okay, guy lol.

- BeadyEyedDouche


He lives in misery ........... never happy with a thing in life. Let him be.
SabreWest
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BC
Joined: 03.02.2015

Jan 3 @ 11:14 PM ET
None of those "other forwards" were the 1st one chosen

And Ehlers has I think 33 points after tonight
Draisaitl has more than Reinhart
Fabbri has more than Reinhart
William Nylander now has 27 points (and is a rookie)

- sbroads24


From his draft year, Reinhart presently sits 5th in total scoring. The sample size is still relatively small. Can i suggest we revisit where this all washes out in about 3-years? With small sample sizes, weird things pop up. For instance, Ekblad is only at 10 points and Dylan Larkin is only at 15 points in their 3rd year. I don't think anyone here would suggest these guys are trending downwards or are busts.

Revisionism is a common thing. With every single draft in every single sport, there are always going to be changes in the draft order when you revisit things 5 or 10 years down the road. At the time, Reinhart was grouped in the top 4 with Ekblad (who was going #1), Bennett and Draisaitl. Flip the coin on the two Sam's - they will probably end up somewhere around the same point totals when their careers are done. If Draisaitl wasn't playing with McJesus, there is no way he would be putting up the points he is. And for some to say "why didn't Murray take Pastranak, what a buffoon he was for missing him", 24 other teams took a pass on Pastranak as well.

Your above points are totally valid, I just think it might be a bit too early to pass judgement on Rhino vs his peers. The same with Eichel vs Marner, Matthews etc etc. The only thing we will all agree on is that McJesus is the truth.....
BeadyEyedDouche
Buffalo Sabres
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Jan 3 @ 11:16 PM ET
Yet the draft doesn't seem all that weak right now.
- sbroads24



Aside from Darisaitl, all of them are projecting as 50 point guys. Great role players and a nice way to round out your top-6, but it's pretty weak as a draft to produce 1 PPG player and that guy gets to have Jesus McJesus on his team.

It was a weak draft. No matter what, we were picking top-2. No one else would be putting up those numbers on this pile of poop roster. We were intentionally the worst team 2 years in a row, none of the other teams actually tried to tank except maybe Toronto and they already had depth coming out of their ass.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jan 3 @ 11:17 PM ET
Compared to other years around it, it's dogpoop.
- Wetbandit1

Not really, most of the class is still 20, and there might be 5 or 6 guys over 50 points, and a guy might finish top 10 in goals
fastek
Buffalo Sabres
Location: CA
Joined: 02.19.2016

Jan 3 @ 11:18 PM ET
I've finally figured out the Sabres once and for all ............

They'll only play well when there is absolutely ZERO on the line .... basically buried in the standings. But give them a glimmer of hope/promise that they could actually become a "contender" .... and they'll fail spectacularly.

This also explains the late season climb to 9 in the standings that inevitably awaits come March and April.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jan 3 @ 11:18 PM ET
He lives in misery ........... never happy with a thing in life. Let him be.

- fastek

Remember when you said, and I quote

"Reinhart will be better than Eichel, book it"??

Ahh, the good days
BeadyEyedDouche
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Rustmine Ramsum most exciting Sabres klugdragger since Taro Tsujimoto
Joined: 07.01.2016

Jan 3 @ 11:20 PM ET
Looks like Eklund was reading my blog post



"On Franson...

The Oilers are very serious about being a playoff team and they know they need more help on D and even at forward...Cody Franson fits the bill nicely...however the Sharks, who could just as easily not make any moves, are also tracking this player.."

- bluengold12



Love the bolded quote. Classic Ek.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
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Joined: 10.07.2010

Jan 3 @ 11:23 PM ET
Not really, most of the class is still 20, and there might be 5 or 6 guys over 50 points, and a guy might finish top 10 in goals
- sbroads24




You can't have it both ways. Either 50 points is complimentary, or it's not, 2013 is looking real good, we all know how 2015 is, and last year already has 2 players better than everyone from 2014.
fastek
Buffalo Sabres
Location: CA
Joined: 02.19.2016

Jan 3 @ 11:23 PM ET
Remember when you said, and I quote

"Reinhart will be better than Eichel, book it"??

Ahh, the good days

- sbroads24


I never said it in stone .............. I said possible and it still is.
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

Jan 3 @ 11:23 PM ET
Aside from Darisaitl, all of them are projecting as 50 point guys. Great role players and a nice way to round out your top-6, but it's pretty weak as a draft to produce 1 PPG player and that guy gets to have Jesus McJesus on his team.

It was a weak draft. No matter what, we were picking top-2. No one else would be putting up those numbers on this pile of poop roster. We were intentionally the worst team 2 years in a row, none of the other teams actually tried to tank except maybe Toronto and they already had depth coming out of their ass.

- BeadyEyedDouche


I'm going to have to disagree nylander , Pastrnak,elhers, Larkin I believe we'll be PPG players

There are also some late-round first and second that I believe will be good players for their teams
One of them I'm very excited about is Christian Dvorak
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jan 3 @ 11:26 PM ET


You can't have it both ways. Either 50 points is complimentary, or it's not, 2013 is looking real good, we all know how 2015 is, and last year already has 2 players better than everyone from 2014.

- Wetbandit1

Again, Reinhart and Bennett right now ARE the weak part of the draft. The fact that there doesn't look like a typical 70-80 point all star as the top forward, is the weak part.

The rest of the first round looks actually pretty good. Larkin, Draisatil, Ehlers, Pastrnak, Nylander all making impacts of some sort by 20 years old is decent.

You want weak, look at '12
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

Jan 3 @ 11:27 PM ET
Remember when you said, and I quote

"Reinhart will be better than Eichel, book it"??

Ahh, the good days

- sbroads24


LeBron James makes a team worse
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jan 3 @ 11:28 PM ET
I never said it in stone .............. I said possible and it still is.
- fastek

So book it, but don't really book it
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

Jan 3 @ 11:30 PM ET
I'm going to be all smiles tomorrow when we claim Ty rattie
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