But how long was it before Hedman wasn't a bust?
- Tumbleweed

First year?

First year?
- AdamFrench

He got to play with Ranger though.

First year?
- AdamFrench

Lol no.

But how long was it before Hedman wasn't a bust?
- Tumbleweed

He had one questionable season...
Other than that, I dont think anyone thought he was going to be a bust.

He got to play with Ranger though.



- Garnie

That's the dream

He had one questionable season...
Other than that, I dont think anyone thought he was going to be a bust.
- Fakepartofme

He was a bust until he started putting up points.

You don't think a 30 goal guy (hes scored high thirties before and I think he's on pace for 30 this year) can't get a top 4 dman?

Gez, if you can't get a dman for jvr no point in moving him.
- burn

Agreed, sure 1 GM paid a huge price in Hall for a #2? D man but it doesn't mean that is the new standard across the league. I would think JVR + should be able to land a 2-4 D man depending on age, contract amount and yes intangibles

He was a bust until he started putting up points.
- daeth

Meh, the first two seasons he put up 20 -26 pts in 74 - 79 games but was defensively sound.
Never really was a bust.

Agreed, sure 1 GM paid a huge price in Hall for a #2? D man but it doesn't mean that is the new standard across the league. I would think JVR + should be able to land a 2-4 D man depending on age, contract amount and yes intangibles
- BKups

JVR should easily get a top 4 dman. Adding extras will hopefully simply increase the quality of Dman.
But I dont see JVR being shopped unless a great offer comes in for him.

wtf happened last night? I was stat watching the game for fantasy purposes because I had family over and couldn't watch. Heard there was just absolutely not d on either side.

Meh, the first two seasons he put up 20 -26 pts in 74 - 79 games but was defensively sound.
Never really was a bust.
- Fakepartofme

I just mean in terms of what people were saying. He didn't really get any respect until 2014 or so.

wtf happened last night? I was stat watching the game for fantasy purposes because I had family over and couldn't watch. Heard there was just absolutely not d on either side.
- RickJames77

Basically answered your own question.

wtf happened last night? I was stat watching the game for fantasy purposes because I had family over and couldn't watch. Heard there was just absolutely not d on either side.
- RickJames77

Bruins or Leafs? Cause the D is lacking on both fronts.

I just mean in terms of what people were saying. He didn't really get any respect until 2014 or so.
- daeth

ah ok.

First year?
- AdamFrench

Oh

wtf happened last night? I was stat watching the game for fantasy purposes because I had family over and couldn't watch. Heard there was just absolutely not d on either side.
- RickJames77

Yup.
Our D sucks and most of our forwards defensive game sucks once in a while...usually all at the same time.
Rielly was a bit of a mess again.

kudos are awarded to lanie for tying up the rooking scoring race last night........ although matthews does still have three games in hand....

Bruins or Leafs? Cause the D is lacking on both fronts.
- BKups

Fair enough

Yup.
Our D sucks and most of our forwards defensive game sucks once in a while...usually all at the same time.
Rielly was a bit of a mess again.
- Fakepartofme

He was bound for some growing pains. Not worried about it. It does hurt seeing those you label a future number one struggle a bit though. Makes you throw your projections into question real quick.

The NHL jump often humbles almost every high end d prospect.

I hope Carrick gets some press box time, he needs it. He's been making some horrendous decisions in the D zone lately and his weakness against the forecheck is becoming glaring.

It's a shame all the analytics sites still love to point out that he's one of our best Ds with their pointless numbers, but the reality is he's becoming a major liability.

I hope Carrick gets some press box time, he needs it. He's been making some horrendous decisions in the D zone lately and his weakness against the forecheck is becoming glaring.

It's a shame all the analytics sites still love to point out that he's one of our best Ds with their pointless numbers, but the reality is he's becoming a major liability.
- mcleafs

He's the least of our worries. He wasn't bad last night

He was bound for some growing pains. Not worried about it. It does hurt seeing those you label a future number one struggle a bit though. Makes you throw your projections into question real quick.

The NHL jump often humbles almost every high end d prospect.
- RickJames77

(frank) off Ricky Hamilton.

He was bound for some growing pains. Not worried about it. It does hurt seeing those you label a future number one struggle a bit though. Makes you throw your projections into question real quick.

The NHL jump often humbles almost every high end d prospect.
- RickJames77

this. it's still another 1-2 years before we start to see rielly at his best.

until then, i'm glad he's being given the tough minutes to play. let's see how he gets through this.

He's the least of our worries. He wasn't bad last night
- burn

Outside of being out of position and weak on the puck on two of the goals against in the third, continuing to make poor offensive choices and force stuff that isn't there, I guess you could say that.

Reality is he's playing with Gardiner because he needs to be bailed out way too often, and between Gardiner, Polak and Hunwick, Gards is the most capable of doing so.

Carrick has been our poorest D by far in the last 6 weeks.

Hmm, marlies under 500.....