forget about the analytics angle for a minute, and forget about lining up talent in a one for one deal. i'm curious on how much GM's place value on the contract term and cap hits. from that aspect, Muzzin (as a top pair d) and Martinez (as a top 4 d who can play both sides) both have $4m cap hits for YEARS. that has to have additional value to any GM who receives the benefit of not just the player, but also the certainty of finances associated with that player.

in short, muzzin or martinez should garner a better player than we perceive as equal return, because of the economics that come with them. and for that i would think there's less need for dean to add more pieces to the deal to sweeten the pot.

agree or not?
- hiway39

Not so much sweaten the pot. But to move out other money to make what ever contract that comes back equal. Since we are in a cap crisis.

They absolutely can afford to part with Muzzin. Did anyone else watch him last night? He was culpable on at least three of the goals against and was a -4. Martinez was actually in pretty good position and making decent plays, but when the puck got to Muzzin, Jake either bobbled it, stared at it, reached for it with his stick (instead of playing the man) or gave it away.

If those two help "form as strong a trio of defenders as you'll find in the league," then their pairing together ought be as solid as you'll find in the league, not combined for -20 while one may be in consideration for All-Star selection (as a substitution) in spite of it and the other is in consideration for getting traded. That tells you that one is living up to billing and the other isn't.

I don't understand why some continue to call Muzzin "reliable." He may be reliable at generating harmless shots in the offensive zone and inflating his Corsi, but he's anything but reliable in his own zone. It's not that he's just struggling on defense this season. He's always had issues, but they were ignored because he was putting up points. Now that he's not, he's getting exposed as a one-dimensional defenseman who is a liability if he isn't offsetting his defensive deficiencies by contributing points. The last time that LA traded one of those for scoring help, it didn't hurt the team in the ways that some predicted and, instead, worked out remarkably well.

Landeskog for Muzzin is a deal that you take and run away with, if you're LA. Unfortunately, if the Avs were heavily scouting last night's game, as reported, they probably lost any interest that they may've had.

while one is in consideration for All-Star selection (as a sub, perhaps if someone like Subban can't make it)


- Osprey

Are you saying that Martinez is somehow going to play for the Central Division All-Star team if Subban gets hurt or are you talking about Landeskog playing defense?

Are you saying that Martinez is somehow going to play for the Central Division All-Star team if Subban gets hurt or are you talking about Landeskog playing defense?
- LAkings96

I forgot that it's a divisional format now. For some reason, I was thinking that it was still West vs East, even though they haven't done that in years. I'm getting old. Thanks for the correction.

They absolutely can afford to part with Muzzin. Did anyone else watch him last night? He was culpable on at least three of the goals against and was a -4. Martinez was actually in pretty good position and making decent plays, but when the puck got to Muzzin, Jake either bobbled it, stared at it, reached for it with his stick (instead of playing the man) or gave it away.

If those two help "form as strong a trio of defenders as you'll find in the league," then their pairing together ought be as solid as you'll find in the league, not combined for -20 while one is in consideration for All-Star selection (as a sub, perhaps if someone like Subban can't make it) in spite of it and the other is in consideration for getting traded. That tells you that one is living up to billing and the other isn't.

I don't understand why some continue to call Muzzin "reliable." He may be reliable at generating harmless shots in the offensive zone and inflating his Corsi, but he's anything but reliable in his own zone. It's not that he's just struggling on defense this season. He's always had issues, but they were ignored because he was putting up points. Now that he's not, he's getting exposed as a one-dimensional defenseman who is a liability if he isn't offsetting his defensive deficiencies by contributing points. The last time that LA traded one of those for forward help, it was a smashing success and didn't cripple the team's zone transition or powerplay, as some predicted.

Landeskog for Muzzin is a deal that you take and run away with, if you're LA. Unfortunately, if the Avs were heavily scouting last night's game, as reported, they probably lost any interest that they may've had.
- Osprey

I don't see Colorado interested in muzzin, most fans don't like him! So I agreed tho if that's the trade run !!and thank Joey sackic

Not so much sweaten the pot. But to move out other money to make what ever contract that comes back equal. Since we are in a cap crisis.
- poisondhearts37

i see your point, but the only deals that we would benefit from moving are ones like gabbo or brown's...

forget about the analytics angle for a minute, and forget about lining up talent in a one for one deal. i'm curious on how much GM's place value on the contract term and cap hits. from that aspect, Muzzin (as a top pair d) and Martinez (as a top 4 d who can play both sides) both have $4m cap hits for YEARS. that has to have additional value to any GM who receives the benefit of not just the player, but also the certainty of finances associated with that player.

in short, muzzin or martinez should garner a better player than we perceive as equal return, because of the economics that come with them. and for that i would think there's less need for dean to add more pieces to the deal to sweeten the pot.

agree or not?
- hiway39

I agree, that's why I mentioned Muzzin is the main piece. So, if there were more players/picks involved it better not be much more than a B prospect and/or mid level picks

I don't see Colorado interested in muzzin, most fans don't like him! So I agreed tho if that's the trade run !!and thank Joey sackic
- MR.Hunter

maybe he's like kris russell, someone GMs seem to ooze over but the non-GMs think is far overvalued.

I don't see Colorado interested in muzzin, most fans don't like him! So I agreed tho if that's the trade run !!and thank Joey sackic
- MR.Hunter

Thats a lie. About all teams which is most teams in the league with 2 good or decent dman love him. And thats about every team. So dont lie because he's not going your way for JVR.

maybe he's like kris russell, someone GMs seem to ooze over but the non-GMs think is far overvalued.
- hiway39

Kris russell would have a hard time cracking the Kings roster. Thats a fact. Hes fighting with Greene and Gilbert. Forbort, Gravel and McNabb are all better options.

Kris russell would have a hard time cracking the Kings roster. Thats a fact. Hes fighting with Greene and Gilbert. Forbort, Gravel and McNabb are all better options.
- poisondhearts37

this year, agree. but i believe dean was considering him at the deadline last year. wouldnt' have solved the issue that he's a left shot d, and we need more guys who can play the right side.