I don't. But guess what, he cost nothing to get here, and will probably net an asset as a return.

Like people on here have said for YEARS, and Homie and DD can back me up on this.

You can find wingers everywhere, and for cheap that will produce.

WE don't for some reason. We trade multiple assets for them, or sign them to 7 year deals.

For the price of just Okposo, we could have Marchessault+Vanek+ Gagner. All 3 guys with similar production this year.

And I really like Okposo. He's a good player. And this isn't me criticizing him.
- sbroads24

OK - lets follow on that. You're observation is correct. But how does it hurt us?

What move has the Okposo signing precluded us from making? Assume we decided last year that Bogo was not our guy - what did his deal do to preclude us from getting the replacement?

- cabin

After he took pictures with fans he let in the 3rd goal

are you referring to the wrong goal?

Matthews released that puck in about 1/3 of a second and went bar down. How is that Lehner's fault?
- Aetherial

It's Lehner's fault because he was dealt for a 21st overall 1st round pick to start. The fact that Foligno was picking his nose and ignored Matthews and allowed Matthews that prime open, quick slot shot has no bearing.

After he took pictures with fans he let in the 3rd goal
- GERBE!!!75PTS

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OK - lets follow on that. You're observation is correct. But how does it hurt us?

What move has the Okposo signing precluded us from making? Assume we decided last year that Bogo was not our guy - what did his deal do to preclude us from getting the replacement?
- Der Kaiser

Okposo doesn't hurt us now. But at what point do we ever get to say- Wow, what a bargain, we aren't that good this year? Oh well, maybe Vanek can net us a 1st or a nice prospect.

When is someone going to come in and exceed expectations?

yeah, Matthews is awesome...won't deny it...but there's no reason for him to be on his knees that deep in the net
- Michael Pachla

I really can't blame Lehner on that especially since most goalies in the NHL do exactly that all the time.

OK - lets follow on that. You're observation is correct. But how does it hurt us?

What move has the Okposo signing precluded us from making? Assume we decided last year that Bogo was not our guy - what did his deal do to preclude us from getting the replacement?
- Der Kaiser

i like okposo for this team so not going to touch that one. Bogo? thats pretty easy, we gave up assets and a chunk of cap space to get a guy that is replaceable by a guy we drafted 2 years ago in the 2nd round...or a cheap FA signing. The assets could have been used elsewhere. And while the cap may not hinder the team now, consider that if you go out and actually get a guy who's worthy of taking that top 4 role, you've moved bogo to the bottom pair. Now you've got an even bigger problem because once it's time to really go for it and make moves to put this team over the top, we'll be busy being stuck with the leagues most expensive yet useless bottom pair. (exaggerating for effect obviously)

Michael Pachla for Team President and GM. #MaketheSabresGreatAgain #FanPopulismMovement

It's Lehner's fault because he was dealt for a 21st overall 1st round pick to start. The fact that Foligno was picking his nose and ignored Matthews and allowed Matthews that prime open, quick slot shot has no bearing.
- GilPerreault11

The air was a little dry. A nugget was bothering him.

Okposo doesn't hurt us now. But at what point do we ever get to say- Wow, what a bargain, we aren't that good this year? Oh well, maybe Vanek can net us a 1st or a nice prospect.

When is someone going to come in and exceed expectations?
- sbroads24

A - I can't imagine anyone is going to give Detroit a first for Vanek, but I might be surprised.

B - here are the people who exceeded expectations this year:
Bailey, Baptiste, McCabe, Nilsson, Fedun, Faulk, Cal. (I get it, the high end guys are not on the list.)

C - I think the market is so starved for success that any player with potential is saddled with huge expectations, and it is hard to live up to that, much less exceed them.

D - There have been misses.

A - I can't imagine anyone is going to give Detroit a first for Vanek, but I might be surprised.

B - here are the people who exceeded expectations this year:
Bailey, Baptiste, McCabe, Nilsson, Fedun, Faulk, Cal. (I get it, the high end guys are not on the list.)

C - I think the market is so starved for success that any player with potential is saddled with huge expectations, and it is hard to live up to that, much less exceed them.

D - There have been misses.
- Der Kaiser

Thats why you gotta temper expectations. Biggest mistake they made

After he took pictures with fans he let in the 3rd goal
- GERBE!!!75PTS

Geeze of all the non-stories, this has to be close to the top. He waved to a fan. Story over.

Okposo doesn't hurt us now. But at what point do we ever get to say- Wow, what a bargain, we aren't that good this year? Oh well, maybe Vanek can net us a 1st or a nice prospect.

When is someone going to come in and exceed expectations?
- sbroads24

I feel like I've been waiting for this going back into the post-Briere/Drury years

i like okposo for this team so not going to touch that one. Bogo? thats pretty easy, we gave up assets and a chunk of cap space to get a guy that is replaceable by a guy we drafted 2 years ago in the 2nd round...or a cheap FA signing. The assets could have been used elsewhere. And while the cap may not hinder the team now, consider that if you go out and actually get a guy who's worthy of taking that top 4 role, you've moved bogo to the bottom pair. Now you've got an even bigger problem because once it's time to really go for it and make moves to put this team over the top, we'll be busy being stuck with the leagues most expensive yet useless bottom pair. (exaggerating for effect obviously)
- Sabresfan-365

I am actually starting to believe that most big trades are bad, and most FA signings are bad.

It just always seems that it ends up costing more money and you never get much more than what you could have had for cheaper.

I also think luck plays a HUGE part in a rebuild. Not just lottery luck, but late round picks panning out and really minor trades that work out. That is 2/3 of the Matthews line. You can give the management team some credit, but there is a lot of luck there also.

Geeze of all the non-stories, this has to be close to the top. He waved to a fan. Story over.
- Sabres4848

and she was hot.

I am actually starting to believe that most big trades are bad, and most FA signings are bad.

It just always seems that it ends up costing more money and you never get much more than what you could have had for cheaper.

I also think luck plays a HUGE part in a rebuild. Not just lottery luck, but late round picks panning out and really minor trades that work out. That is 2/3 of the Matthews line. You can give the management team some credit, but there is a lot of luck there also.
- Aetherial

Bingo. Thats why you maximize your chances by accumulating as many picks as you can during the building phase (which the sabres did but then promptly gave away)

i think big trades can work out for a team even when the value is off but those moves have to come when the core of the team is more or less already in place, can't do them 5 months before you've landed your star player

he was a mess on that goal
- Michael Pachla

I say we take away the two bad Leafs goals, Martin and Matthews and take the two bad Sabres goals away that Andersen was at fault for, and call the game 2-0 Leafs.

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- Der Kaiser

She got him in trouble lol


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Post the selfie @naomiparness! I think you earned an assist on those last few goals. #Leafs #Sabres

i like okposo for this team so not going to touch that one. Bogo? thats pretty easy, we gave up assets and a chunk of cap space to get a guy that is replaceable by a guy we drafted 2 years ago in the 2nd round...or a cheap FA signing. The assets could have been used elsewhere. And while the cap may not hinder the team now, consider that if you go out and actually get a guy who's worthy of taking that top 4 role, you've moved bogo to the bottom pair. Now you've got an even bigger problem because once it's time to really go for it and make moves to put this team over the top, we'll be busy being stuck with the leagues most expensive yet useless bottom pair. (exaggerating for effect obviously)
- Sabresfan-365

Taking for granted that Bogo's contract is a bad one (I won't debate it here) there are two very big problems with this explanation:

(A) it presumes an otherwise static payroll. That assumption is unwarranted. There will be ways for us to move around Bogo's contract by moving other high cost contracts to create the flexiblity we need to accomodate Bogo.

(B) it focuses entirely the presumption that one bad contract is fatal to the team. The cap by its nature presumes that there is going to be a bad contract. Hell, even throw in Moulson so that there are two bad contracts - there are ways to get rid of bad contracts, and flexibility in the cap to carry one.

I just don't feel the need for all the handwringing and gnashing of teeth about how we can't ever succeed because of Bogo.

Look, the team dropped a turd last night - and we lost by one (frank)ing goal. And I'm as tired of it as all of you - probably moreso because I actually expected good things and I am dealing with letting go of those expectations.

But as tired as I am of the team's losing, I am fed the (frank) up with all of the willingness to second guess every move and always find the misses to be "criminal" and "obvious" and "drunk."

For all of the glorification of the Vanek signing, the Red Wings are in the toilet with us.
- Der Kaiser

winnipeg has one more point than us. colorado has...jesus am i reading that right, 16 fewer points??? is there a gas leak out there???

Someone like Vanek, who symbolized a period of Sabres mediocrity, is someone you add when you when you are ready to supplement a competitive team, not when you are building a rebuild and want players who are young enough to be with the the team as they develop like Okposo is. Not to mention he looked to be on his last legs with the Wild, what, is Murray supposed to be able to take on more projected dead weight like Moulson which he looked to be? Or can he see the future with aging vets? Not to mention the Sabres may not have been too keen on taking him back based on his gambling past.

But they shouldn't be making certain decisions like they are... They are trying to be like Jerry Jones, but he actually has some knowledge. They are just fans with money.
- CoHo_to_B-Lo

I think Terry and Kim are WAY less involved than anyone thinks actually.

Taking for granted that Bogo's contract is a bad one (I won't debate it here) there are two very big problems with this explanation:

(A) it presumes an otherwise static payroll. That assumption is unwarranted. There will be ways for us to move around Bogo's contract by moving other high cost contracts to create the flexiblity we need to accomodate Bogo.

(B) it focuses entirely the presumption that one bad contract is fatal to the team. The cap by its nature presumes that there is going to be a bad contract. Hell, even throw in Moulson so that there are two bad contracts - there are ways to get rid of bad contracts, and flexibility in the cap to carry one.

I just don't feel the need for all the handwringing and gnashing of teeth about how we can't ever succeed because of Bogo.
- Der Kaiser

A)why would we want to accommodate a guy who's best suited for the bottom pair making #2 d-man money? Thats awful value

B) Again it looks like im singling Bogo out but if he was the only bad contract on this team it would be an after thought. The bigger issue is that of the bad contracts hes doing the most harm to the team. Moulsons deal is bad, but hes on the fourth line doing nothing but hurting nobody. We're giving Bogo 22-23 mins a night facing the other teams top 6 and the most positive thing ive heard so far is that he's been servicable for a few games.

Gorges, Ennis, Moulson, Bogosian. Thats four guys with contracts beyond this year totalling to roughly 18.6 mil

Someone like Vanek, who symbolized a period of Sabres mediocrity, is someone you add when you when you are ready to supplement a competitive team, not when you are building a rebuild and want players who are young enough to be with the the team as they develop like Okposo is. Not to mention he looked to be on his last legs with the Wild, what, is Murray supposed to be able to take on more projected dead weight like Moulson which he looked to be? Or can he see the future with aging vets? Not to mention the Sabres may not have been too keen on taking him back based on his gambling past.
- GilPerreault11

I agree with this entirely but could you not apply this same logic to some of the deals Murray has already made? Not even considering value just the decision to make them in general, some of these moves are very much of the cart before the horse variety.

Someone like Vanek, who symbolized a period of Sabres mediocrity, is someone you add when you when you are ready to supplement a competitive team, not when you are building a rebuild and want players who are young enough to be with the the team as they develop like Okposo is. Not to mention he looked to be on his last legs with the Wild, what, is Murray supposed to be able to take on more projected dead weight like Moulson which he looked to be? Or can he see the future with aging vets? Not to mention the Sabres may not have been too keen on taking him back based on his gambling past.
- GilPerreault11

Doesn't have to be Vanek.