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VanHockeyGuy
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jan 18 @ 5:19 PM ET
This is only NA, so doesn't take into account Euro. But this definitely looks like a good draft to find our 2C behind Bo(or possible upgrade) or even another solid D for the future. With all the centers int he draft, some defense may slip.
- Retinalz


Even if you combine the two the top 14 is still heavy on centers, only 2 D though.
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Jan 18 @ 5:20 PM ET
He has played well, no doubt.
But i refuse to put those lofty titles on a guy that's played 50 NHL games.
Yes, he has potential, but i haven't seen anything to indicate he's Pronger-esque or a #1D, or a potential superstar.

He looks like a great pick, solid #4D.
And that's awesome.

As for the play, it was good, not spectacular.
I suspect he was given that kind of space and time because the opposition was used to him making the safe play and dumping the puck up the boards and he surprised them.
I would not expect him to turn into a Karlson and begin regularly rushing the puck up ice like that.

- dbot

remember pronger himself the 1st few years was deemed a bust by burke (who drafted him) and traded to st louis where he later became a superstar.
Tree has been so much better in his 1st year

we shall see what he becomes but he has the tools needed
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Jan 18 @ 5:21 PM ET
remember pronger himself the 1st few years was deemed a bust by burke (who drafted him) and traded to st louis where he later became a superstar.
Tree has been so much better in his 1st year

we shall see what he becomes but he has the tools needed

- SMBDragon


I don't know why we're comparing him to pronger though.
He was 18 when he entered the league.
Tryakin was what, 22?
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jan 18 @ 5:22 PM ET
He has played well, no doubt.
But i refuse to put those lofty titles on a guy that's played 50 NHL games.
Yes, he has potential, but i haven't seen anything to indicate he's Pronger-esque or a #1D, or a potential superstar.

He looks like a great pick, solid #4D.
And that's awesome.

As for the play, it was good, not spectacular.
I suspect he was given that kind of space and time because the opposition was used to him making the safe play and dumping the puck up the boards and he surprised them.
I would not expect him to turn into a Karlson and begin regularly rushing the puck up ice like that.

- dbot

Tree will never have Pronger's pure evil.
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Jan 18 @ 5:23 PM ET

- A_SteamingLombardi

omg wow.... did they take him out and shoot him after ?

I get this russian vodka that you cant buy in stores. Only comes in smuggled. Its really good vodka
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Jan 18 @ 5:23 PM ET
remember pronger himself the 1st few years was deemed a bust by burke (who drafted him) and traded to st louis where he later became a superstar.
Tree has been so much better in his 1st year

we shall see what he becomes but he has the tools needed

- SMBDragon


He scored 30 points as an 18 year old Dman. Tree turns 23 this year.
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Jan 18 @ 5:25 PM ET
I don't know why we're comparing him to pronger though.
He was 18 when he entered the league.
Tryakin was what, 22?

- dbot

and had to be introduced to the nhl game in year 1 at that. So he's exceeded!
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Jan 18 @ 5:25 PM ET
Tree will never have Pronger's pure evil.
- A_SteamingLombardi

I agree with you there....
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Jan 18 @ 5:26 PM ET
He scored 30 points as an 18 year old Dman. Tree turns 23 this year.
- golfingsince

still his 1st year and is new to north american game. He's done well
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Jan 18 @ 5:29 PM ET
still his 1st year and is new to north american game. He's done well
- SMBDragon


Nobody is disputing that he's done well. Maybe you could slow down on the HHOF labels though.
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Jan 18 @ 5:31 PM ET
He has played well, no doubt.
But i refuse to put those lofty titles on a guy that's played 50 NHL games.
Yes, he has potential, but i haven't seen anything to indicate he's Pronger-esque or a #1D, or a potential superstar.

He looks like a great pick, solid #4D.
And that's awesome.

As for the play, it was good, not spectacular.
I suspect he was given that kind of space and time because the opposition was used to him making the safe play and dumping the puck up the boards and he surprised them.
I would not expect him to turn into a Karlson and begin regularly rushing the puck up ice like that.

- dbot


I get what you are saying. We can temper enthusiasm too. But young guys that are developing and showing some tools and abilities that are rare you never know. Look at Bo no one would say he could be a 1C and now that's a realistic expectation. Not mere hope. Where you are now with Tree as a 4D is that not a bottom? The ceiling still unknown?
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jan 18 @ 5:32 PM ET


I endorse the Nashville approach of ADD (always draft defense).

Trade for 1C's and wingers as needed with your bountiful stock of blue chip Dmen.

- dbot

Not that easy, IMO.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jan 18 @ 5:32 PM ET
Is he going to resign with the Canucks or go back to Europe ?
- Redmile247

I am sure Tree wants to take a pay cut to head back to the K
Brooks_Light
Joined: 08.13.2015

Jan 18 @ 5:33 PM ET
He has played well, no doubt.
But i refuse to put those lofty titles on a guy that's played 50 NHL games.
Yes, he has potential, but i haven't seen anything to indicate he's Pronger-esque or a #1D, or a potential superstar.

He looks like a great pick, solid #4D.
And that's awesome.

As for the play, it was good, not spectacular.
I suspect he was given that kind of space and time because the opposition was used to him making the safe play and dumping the puck up the boards and he surprised them.
I would not expect him to turn into a Karlson and begin regularly rushing the puck up ice like that.

- dbot


I think people are getting excited because we haven't seen anything like him in Vancouver for years. He definitely has a huge upside and even though its only been 50 games he looks quite comfortable.

Not sure if you mean he's a top 4d now or if you think thats his ceiling? I wouldn't limit him to that - I think he could be 1 or 2 in the future easily.

As for the couple times he rushed the puck, he did it with his speed and strength - he created that space by himself. The more comfortable he becomes, the more we'll see him rush the puck. He's been playing safe to gain the confidence of the coaches and himself. I'd imagine WD is pumped that he's starting to rush and i doubt he'll be held back. Although I don't think he'll be rushing as much as Karlsson or Doughty. I understand you're trying to curb your enthusiasm but its ok to get a little excited once in awhile.
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Jan 18 @ 5:33 PM ET
remember pronger himself the 1st few years was deemed a bust by burke (who drafted him) and traded to st louis where he later became a superstar.
Tree has been so much better in his 1st year

we shall see what he becomes but he has the tools needed

- SMBDragon

pronger was never deemed a bust.

he was traded for brendan shanahan. it was a young star for young star deal.

btw, burke drafted him 2nd over all but left the whalers after his only season there so he was not the one to trade him.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jan 18 @ 5:34 PM ET
He scored 30 points as an 18 year old Dman. Tree turns 23 this year.
- golfingsince

I can't recall but did Pronger have Biega's dad or uncle as his D partner?
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jan 18 @ 5:35 PM ET
Not that easy, IMO.
- Marwood

No sh!t...a lot of good Nashville's drafting D history has worked. They got beaten, and out played by the Canucks
VanHockeyGuy
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jan 18 @ 5:40 PM ET
pronger was never deemed a bust.

he was traded for brendan shanahan. it was a young star for young star deal.

btw, burke drafted him 2nd over all but left the whalers after his only season there so he was not the one to trade him.

- RealityChecker


Burkie and his love for big d-men, makes sense.

We have a couple now who really haven't reached their potential.
VanHockeyGuy
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jan 18 @ 5:41 PM ET
Not that easy, IMO.
- Marwood


Easier, but riskier to draft and develop one.
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Jan 18 @ 5:42 PM ET
pronger was never deemed a bust.

he was traded for brendan shanahan. it was a young star for young star deal.

btw, burke drafted him 2nd over all but left the whalers after his only season there so he was not the one to trade him.

- RealityChecker

pretty sure burke traded him.
I do remember him leaving for NHL front office though. Geez its been so long....hard to be sure anymore
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Jan 18 @ 5:43 PM ET
I would quote myself from earlier but I heard that gives you the flags disease.
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Jan 18 @ 5:43 PM ET
I can't recall but did Pronger have Biega's dad or uncle as his D partner?
- CanuckDon


So you're on board with Tree is the next Pronger?
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Jan 18 @ 5:44 PM ET
Nobody is disputing that he's done well. Maybe you could slow down on the HHOF labels though.
- golfingsince

I said he had the TOOLS to be pronger esq. Who knows if he gets there but he HAS the tools to be.
Stop twisting my words
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Jan 18 @ 5:45 PM ET
Seen him play a few times, draft position doesn't concern me as much now. We're still not a playoff team though.
- VanHockeyGuy



That's good. JB will get quality on draft. You are right too on playoffs. That's what a bubble team looks like. Not good enough. But with a chance perhaps. Plenty of company there this season.
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Jan 18 @ 5:45 PM ET
pretty sure burke traded him.
I do remember him leaving for NHL front office though. Geez its been so long....hard to be sure anymore

- SMBDragon

rutherford was the gm who traded pronger.

here's an archived story from back then detailing the "blockbuster" nature of the trade.

http://www.courant.com/sp...e-july-28-1995-story.html
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