Sutter leads the Canucks in ice time. That is why we are calling him a 1st line player.

It doesn't make any sense to call him a high end 3rd line center when he leads his team in icetime.

Horvat for example is 3rd in icetime among regular C's 4th if you include Granlund but is on pace to lead the canucks in points. That's what a high end 3rd line C looks like.
- belcherbd

Look at his linemates not his ice time. That's pretty damn simplistic He is a horse on the PK and takes our defensive faceoffs

It's the Benning and Linden model. And it's great
- CanuckDon

wave those pom poms!

THIS.

and until Edmonton/ Toronto have success in the playoffs/ actually win something then I'll believe it. As it stands now, they are mostly only good because they got a really good years 1OA, sick of hearing about it like it took any sort of skill or management/ drafting skill.
- Crazybagoham

Why is it always Toronto, ARZ, COL and EDM that come up as examples?

Seems to me Pittsburg, Chicago and L.A employed some of the very same tactics to great success.

It's the Benning and Linden model. And at least the kool aid is great
- CanuckDon

fixed

Although I think this will now be taken as we traded for a 1st line C!
- golfingsince

So you want Sutter and EG gone. Anybody else?

you know you don't have to look at 1 example and try to emulate that right? you can pick and choose different tactics and devise a coherent strategy right?

or should we still be trying for the "detroit model" or the "bruins model" or is it now the "penguins model."
- RealityChecker

Columbus

It's the Benning and Linden model. And it's great
- CanuckDon

fixed
- golfingsince

So anybody that doesn't believe in a TO style tank is drinking koolaid? good to know I like the fact they are trying to grow the prospects in an environment with a few decent veterans around. But perhaps you are next inline for Bennings job if it doesn't work out.

So you want Sutter and EG gone. Anybody else?
- CanuckDon

so you are saying that sutter and EG will win the canucks the stanley cup?

no, you didn't say that?

So you want Sutter and EG gone. Anybody else?
- CanuckDon

Rodin

- dbot

So anybody that doesn't believe in a TO style tank is drinking koolaid? good to know I like the fact they are trying to grow the prospects in an environment with a few decent veterans around. But perhaps you are next inline for Bennings job if it doesn't work out.
- CanuckDon

No, anybody that thinks the current regime is doing great is drinking it. They've had plenty of missteps.

so you are saying that sutter and EG will win the canucks the stanley cup?

no, you didn't say that?
- RealityChecker

I don't think the Canucks will ever win the cup

Rodin
- golfingsince

so you are saying that sutter and EG will win the canucks the stanley cup?

no, you didn't say that?
- RealityChecker

Because making a claim that suggests that there is a 'way' or an 'approach' to win a stanley cup is ridiculous.

there are a million moving parts including health, luck, matchups, reffing, etc.

There is no 1 way to win a cup.

Different teams, in different cities with different rosters take different approaches.

I don't think the Canucks will ever win the cup
- CanuckDon

Then we have the perfect players.

Why is it always Toronto, ARZ, COL and EDM that come up as examples?

Seems to me Pittsburg, Chicago and L.A employed some of the very same tactics to great success.
- Whiskey-Tango

Oh the rebuild tactic definitely works, but its not the only way, plenty of teams have had success drafting in the middle.

I bring up TOR and EDM because that's where all the trash talk comes from it seems..... I can accept an PITT/CHI fan giving me the business because the teams/players have actually proven it.

So anybody that doesn't believe in a TO style tank is drinking koolaid? good to know I like the fact they are trying to grow the prospects in an environment with a few decent veterans around. But perhaps you are next inline for Bennings job if it doesn't work out.
- CanuckDon

the fact that you don't believe in a TO tank doesn't mean you drink the kool aid.

the fact that you defend every benning move incessantly shows your high BKA level (Blood Kool Aid Level - similar to alcohol).

drink any more kool aid and you're going to need KAA. "hi, my name's don and i can't stay away from the kool aid."

No, anybody that thinks the current regime is doing great is drinking it. They've had plenty of missteps.
- golfingsince

Yes, they have made mistakes. Every regime does. Overall, I give them a B

Then we have the perfect players.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Magma and Chaput

Then we have the perfect players.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Oh the rebuild tactic definitely works, but its not the only way, plenty of teams have had success drafting in the middle.

I bring up TOR and EDM because that's where all the trash talk comes from it seems..... I can accept an PITT/CHI fan giving me the business because the teams/players have actually proven it.
- Crazybagoham

yep

the fact that you don't believe in a TO tank doesn't mean you drink the kool aid.

the fact that you defend every benning move incessantly shows your high BKA level (Blood Kool Aid Level - similar to alcohol).

drink any more kool aid and you're going to need KAA. "hi, my name's don and i can't stay away from the kool aid."
- RealityChecker

maybe some of us want to actually give JB time to do his job? Im not a huge fan of JB, but he's only just started to implement his plan, why dont we see if it works or fails before you constantly nitpick every move? We wont know until the Sedins are retired if it worked or not, simple as that. Become a leafs fans if you want a tank

the fact that you don't believe in a TO tank doesn't mean you drink the kool aid.

the fact that you defend every benning move incessantly shows your high BKA level (Blood Kool Aid Level - similar to alcohol).

drink any more kool aid and you're going to need KAA. "hi, my name's don and i can't stay away from the kool aid."
- RealityChecker

Magma and Chaput
- CanuckDon

hey my 4 year old loves Chaput...this may or may not have anything to do with the fact that his name is, sha-poo.