Good for all of them. They suck.
So what if there is not a 'generational' player in this draft.It doesn't give licence to make garbage trades for the sake of garbage trades.
Toronto's & Edmonton's management has been awful for years but it looks like that is changing.
- Marwood

I would take Kadri over Eriksson Sven Ganlund Rodin Burrows Chaput Gaunce Megna Skille and yes even Sutter

I get that some don't like him , but he is a very effective player

I would take Kadri over Eriksson Sven Ganlund Rodin Burrows Chaput Gaunce Megna Skille and yes even Sutter

I get that some don't like him , but he is a very effective player
- VANTEL

I wouldn't.

They won't relinquish their 2nd this year
- CanuckDon

Why not? Wouldn't it be better this year with how well they are doing?

Why not? Wouldn't it be better this year with how well they are doing?
- Makita

My opinion is that a 2nd this year holds more value than a 2nd next year as the prospect is in your system a year earlier. Of course there are several other variables at play. Do their scouts think there will be substantially more depth in 2018? What position to they finish in this year? Even if they finish top 10, I doubt they relinquish their pick. They aren't going to "bet" on being a worse team next year.

My opinion is that a 2nd this year holds more value than a 2nd next year as the prospect is in your system a year earlier. Of course there are several other variables at play. Do their scouts think there will be substantially more depth in 2018? What position to they finish in this year? Even if they finish top 10, I doubt they relinquish their pick. They aren't going to "bet" on being a worse team next year.
- CanuckDon

Lets hope for the sophomore jinx then

All of those teams have had multiple years of top ten drafting and all are below us this year , and everyone of us know we suck
- VANTEL

Well I disagree with a top ten pick being a "high pick" for one, and secondly, bad management doesn't factor into your equation....this is a HUGE caveat.

Tampa went to the finals and the Western Conf finals in the last three years, they obviously don't 'suck' because they're having a bad year and their #1 center is hurt.

Florida had a 100 point season last year before the owner started (frank)ing with the organization.

Dallas won the West with 109 points last year but is having a poor year because of management, injuries and not addressing their goaltending situation. They've aslo only drafted in the top ten (10th) once in the past seven years. They haven't had a top five pick since 1996!

Arizona is Arizona, they've always sucked because of several internal issues from ownership on down.

The Islanders have been building nicely and produced some good years but they also have ownership and management issues. They've had two consecutive 100 point seasons.

Buffalo, as I've told you a few times, has only been building for the past four years, which isn't very long!! They have some very nice pieces and finished ahead of the Canucks last year. Their number one center missed 21 games this year...that matters.

I'm sorry but it's just not as black and white as you make it out to be. Having a bad year doesn't mean you suck. Tampa is a very very good team having a bad year.

Well I disagree with a top ten pick being a "high pick" for one, and secondly, bad management doesn't factor into your equation....this is a HUGE caveat.

Tampa went to the finals and the Western Conf finals in the last three years, they obviously don't 'suck' because they're having a bad year and their #1 center is hurt.

Florida had a 100 point season last year before the owner started (frank)ing with the organization.

Dallas won the West with 109 points last year but is having a poor year because of management, injuries and not addressing their goaltending situation. They also have only drafted in the top ten (10th) once in the past seven years.

Arizona is Arizona, they've always sucked because of several internal issues from ownership on down.

The Islanders have been building nicely and produced some good years but they also have ownership and management issues.

Buffalo, as I've told you a few times, has only been building for the past four years, which isn't very long!! They have some very nice pieces and finished ahead of the Canucks last year. Their number one center missed 21 games this year...that matters.

I'm sorry but it's just not as black and white as you make it out to be. Having a bad year doesn't mean you suck. Tampa is a very very good team having a bad year.
- LeftCoaster

Tampa went to the finals and the Western Conf finals in the last three years, they obviously don't 'suck' because they're having a bad year and their #1 center is hurt.

So we are in agreement that it is the superstar that is the most important thing ( Stamkos) because the other high draft picks like Hedman Douin don't seem to making a huge impact. Same as Ehlhers and Laine are not sending the Jets to the cup finals


I'm sorry but it's just not as black and white as you make it out to be. Having a bad year doesn't mean you suck. Tampa is a very very good team having a bad year

Here is another thing we agree on. It is definitely not black and white. D&D is only part of the build. Bringing in good players from other sources is also very important.

Tampa went to the finals and the Western Conf finals in the last three years, they obviously don't 'suck' because they're having a bad year and their #1 center is hurt.

So we are in agreement that it is the superstar that is the most important thing ( Stamkos) because the other high draft picks like Hedman Douin don't seem to making a huge impact. Same as Ehlhers and Laine are not sending the Jets to the cup finals


I'm sorry but it's just not as black and white as you make it out to be. Having a bad year doesn't mean you suck. Tampa is a very very good team having a bad year

Here is another thing we agree on. It is definitely not black and white. D&D is only part of the build. Bringing in good players from other sources is also very important.
- VANTEL

On the first point, Stamkos missed the entire playoffs last year except one game and Tampa went to the Conference Finals. So you're wrong, the other players are making an impact and yes he's obviously an important player for them, one that's only found in the very top of the draft 99% of the time, but he's not the only thing that makes them good.

On point two...I agree, it's obviously an important part of building, trades and free agent signings.

On the first point, Stamkos missed the entire playoffs last year except one game and Tampa went to the Conference Finals. So yes he's obviously an important player for them, one that's only found in the very top of the draft 99% of the time, but he's not the only thing that makes them good.

On point two...I agree, it's obviously an important part of building, trades and free agent signings.
- LeftCoaster

Don't forget coaching and systems

Seriously health has a lot to do with it.

I am all in favor of keeping our draft picks , but there is not one player in this draft that is going to change the image of this team next year.

Canucks still have a core of players that play a certain style and in the next 3 years will be changed out. Until then I suggest keep on drafting and make smart trades. I would also avoid Free Agency next year.

The truth is whether we draft 6 or 18 it will make very little difference this year

I thin the team is doing it right and going in the right direction.

I don't think drafting high is the end all to the problem.

I would take Kadri over Eriksson Sven Ganlund Rodin Burrows Chaput Gaunce Megna Skille and yes even Sutter

I get that some don't like him , but he is a very effective player
- VANTEL

Kadri is easily better than all of those players. I dislike him, but there is no arguing he has talent.

Kadri is easily better than all of those players. I dislike him, but there is no arguing he has talent.
- Codes1087

We need a guy that battles hard in front of the net and he is very good at that.

Tampa went to the finals and the Western Conf finals in the last three years, they obviously don't 'suck' because they're having a bad year and their #1 center is hurt.

So we are in agreement that it is the superstar that is the most important thing ( Stamkos) because the other high draft picks like Hedman Douin don't seem to making a huge impact. Same as Ehlhers and Laine are not sending the Jets to the cup finals


I'm sorry but it's just not as black and white as you make it out to be. Having a bad year doesn't mean you suck. Tampa is a very very good team having a bad year

Here is another thing we agree on. It is definitely not black and white. D&D is only part of the build. Bringing in good players from other sources is also very important.
- VANTEL

With the exception of a select few pieces (Tanev, Hansen, Sbisa), this team does not really have many assets to move. We have O.J, Brock, Virtanen and our picks, which ideally should be untouchable. After that, we have a bunch of cusp prospects who frankly, wouldn't warrant anything over a 3rd/4th pick, at best.

Then we got the UFA route.
2017 big names - Thornton, Shattenkirk, Hanzel, Radolov, Oshie.
Benn, Hedman and Burns were set to hit the market but signed, as will some of the above names. Those remaining will be old as (frank) and expensive.

All that to say, apart from the D&D route, there ain't many other options. Attempting to hasten that process through trades/signings generally leads to failure.

A good portion of those teams you listed as Tank failures (Tor, Edm, AVs, FLA, BUF) actually tried to initially quicken their rebuilds in the first few years through bad trades and signings, hence delaying the inevitable.

Don't forget coaching and systems

Seriously health has a lot to do with it.

I am all in favor of keeping our draft picks , but there is not one player in this draft that is going to change the image of this team next year.

Canucks still have a core of players that play a certain style and in the next 3 years will be changed out. Until then I suggest keep on drafting and make smart trades. I would also avoid Free Agency next year.

The truth is whether we draft 6 or 18 it will make very little difference this year

I thin the team is doing it right and going in the right direction.

I don't think drafting high is the end all to the problem.
- VANTEL

Don't kid yourself, having the right coach for the players you've got makes a big difference. In Desjardins case, he doesn't have a bunch to work with, but I still think he's a poor coach in terms of NHL quality.

As for the bolded, probably right, however, they could draft someone who could be a huge difference maker two or three years down the road. Look how good Kucherov is and they got him in the second round.

Lets hope for the sophomore jinx then
- VANTEL

It wouldn't surprise me...

You can certainly think that if you like, if I was trolling specific guys I would have inserted winky sunglasses guy...

We have heard long and hard about WD and his strategies (or lack of), doesn't like this guy or that guy, will only play this guy if he is a vet, has better skills, doesn't trust this guy because he made a mistake once, won't allow said guy play because he's out of shape. Everyday it's always the same criticism.

I don't like everything WD does, but him and Lidster deserve credit for keeping this team competitive, same for Maholtra with improving the faceoff stats. Jarvis is hard to give credit for special teams because they kinda suck, but I'm sure he has input into other areas.

I am just putting out a different point of view for discussion.
- Makita

OH MY GOD I never looked closely and I always thought the sunglasses were a mustache.

With the exception of a select few pieces (Tanev, Hansen, Sbisa), this team does not really have many assets to move. We have O.J, Brock, Virtanen and our picks, which ideally should be untouchable. After that, we have a bunch of cusp prospects who frankly, wouldn't warrant anything over a 3rd/4th pick.

Then we got the UFA route.
2017 big names - Thornton, Shattenkirk, Hanzel, Radolov, Oshie.
Benn, Hedman and Burns were set to hit the market but signed, as will some of the above names. Those remaining will be old as (frank) and expensive.

All that to say, apart from the D&D route, there ain't many other options. Attempting to hasten that process through trades/signings generally leads to failure.

A good portion of those teams you listed as Tank failures (Tor, Edm, AVs, FLA, BUF) actually tried to initially quicken their rebuilds in the first few years through bad trades and signings.
- Whiskey-Tango

I pretty well agree with what you are saying.

The more I thought of Free Agency the more I say hell no.

As far as bringing in players other ways I was thinking College hockey or Europe.

I am only suggesting one trade . At TDL i don't care if they sell off expiring contracts for picks but as far as a major trade I think we can move one Dman for a top 6 . That is the only trade I care about.

I find Jvr similar to Landeskog
- VANTEL

Isn't Landeskog a hardier player who would survive better in the Pacific? Either way we should be trading for Duchene not Landeskog

Don't forget coaching and systems

Seriously health has a lot to do with it.

I am all in favor of keeping our draft picks , but there is not one player in this draft that is going to change the image of this team next year.

Canucks still have a core of players that play a certain style and in the next 3 years will be changed out. Until then I suggest keep on drafting and make smart trades. I would also avoid Free Agency next year.

The truth is whether we draft 6 or 18 it will make very little difference this year


I thin the team is doing it right and going in the right direction.

I don't think drafting high is the end all to the problem.
- VANTEL

I agree with everything except the bold. Patrick could step in next year as 3C and put up 40 points. Nico would be in our top 6 next year. Both these guys are studs.

Don't kid yourself, having the right coach for the players you've got makes a big difference. In Desjardins case, he doesn't have a bunch to work with, but I still think he's a poor coach in terms of NHL quality.

As for the bolded, probably right, however, they could draft someone who could be a huge difference maker two or three years down the road. Look how good Kucherov is and they got him in the second round.
- LeftCoaster

This is exactly why I say there is no need to tank.

You could just as easily get that unforeseen talent in the second round , or third round like Tryamkin as you could with the #6 pick.

OH MY GOD I never looked closely and I always thought the sunglasses were a mustache.
- NorthNuck

How is that possible

I agree with everything except the bold. Patrick could step in next year as 3C and put up 40 points. Nico would be in our top 6 next year. Both these guys are studs.
- CanuckDon

I agree Don they would be nice upgrades but there is no way Benning or FA will let this team draft top 3 unless we win a lottery spot. . We are a 10 -20 team

I agree Don they would be nice upgrades but there is no way Benning or FA will let this team draft top 3 unless we win a lottery spot. . We are a 10 -20 team
- VANTEL

What if we finish 15th and win the lottery?

What if we finish 15th and win the lottery?
- CanuckDon

This is the Canucks

How is that possible
- CanuckDon

I don't know. I'm questioning a lot of things now.

This is the Canucks
- VANTEL

I momentarily forgot Oh well, perhaps the Desert Lemmings will win the lottery