That's true Dreger
- VANTEL

Dreger, kypper, Lou ....who else have I missed

Last year the blues were the best team save percentage wise ...this year dead last ...what is different there ?

Flames give up the 7th fewest shots ...almost the same as the blues

Also the 7th fewest shot attempts
- Redmile247

Embrace the misery . The first step of braking away from sucking is admitting you suck. Join in .

It's like court is in session, what have I missed?


anyway, someone predicted a trade by the end of the week. tick-tock, fingers crossed.

Last year the blues were the best team save percentage wise ...this year dead last ...what is different there ?

Flames give up the 7th fewest shots ...almost the same as the blues

Also the 7th fewest shot attempts
- Redmile247

Waiting to see the flames extend Elliott for too much money only to watch him continue to decline

Waiting to see the flames extend Elliott for too much money only to watch him continue to decline
- NorthNuck

The flames are not going to extend Elliot. There is no way with how he has played this year.

Waiting to see the canucks extend Miller for too much money only to watch him decline
- NorthNuck

He's having a good year ...and it's Benning ...so ya never know

The flames are not going to extend Elliot. There is no way with how he has played this year.
- Codes1087

I could see Johnson get a deal ...not Elliott

I really wanted Anderson this summer ...leafs did great there

He's having a good year ...and it's Benning ...so ya never know


- Redmile247

If he can finish the year how he's played so far I would have no problem seeing him here for another year

Waiting to see the flames extend Elliott for too much money only to watch him continue to decline
- NorthNuck

Flames are a lot more like Canucks than Red wants to admit.

I could see Johnson get a deal ...not Elliott

I really wanted Anderson this summer ...leafs did great there
- Redmile247

They better find a new starter in the offseason then. Don't wanna get stuck with what you have now and be in a Dallas situation

Embrace the misery . The first step of braking away from sucking is admitting you suck. Join in .
- VANTEL

No pastor vantel ...I will not join you and your following

Flames are a lot more like Canucks than Red wants to admit.


- VANTEL

It's true. At first glance it would appear their youth is superior but they're really not ahead of us by much

They better find a new starter in the offseason then. Don't wanna get stuck with what you have now and be in a Dallas situation
- NorthNuck

Dallas goaltending has been bad, but so has the entire team.

If he can finish the year how he's played so far I would have no problem seeing him here for another year
- NorthNuck

Kuzma was on the radio this morning talking about the possibility of extending Miller, only heard part of it but got the impression it could happen and it might be a transition of responsibilities to Markstrom as Miller will be 37 next season.

part of me wants that high draft pick and some bad goaltending next season.

Flames are a lot more like Canucks than Red wants to admit.


- VANTEL

They are actually a lot more different that vantel wants to admit

They better find a new starter in the offseason then. Don't wanna get stuck with what you have now and be in a Dallas situation
- NorthNuck

I think it's same in a way ...but very different ...they have two goalies that aren't ufa at like over 10 million ...we are paying just over 4 for two and have no obligation to them past this year

Well I disagree with a top ten pick being a "high pick" for one, and secondly, bad management doesn't factor into your equation....this is a HUGE caveat.

Tampa went to the finals and the Western Conf finals in the last three years, they obviously don't 'suck' because they're having a bad year and their #1 center is hurt.

Florida had a 100 point season last year before the owner started (frank)ing with the organization.

Dallas won the West with 109 points last year but is having a poor year because of management, injuries and not addressing their goaltending situation. They've aslo only drafted in the top ten (10th) once in the past seven years. They haven't had a top five pick since 1996!

Arizona is Arizona, they've always sucked because of several internal issues from ownership on down.

The Islanders have been building nicely and produced some good years but they also have ownership and management issues. They've had two consecutive 100 point seasons.

Buffalo, as I've told you a few times, has only been building for the past four years, which isn't very long!! They have some very nice pieces and finished ahead of the Canucks last year. Their number one center missed 21 games this year...that matters.

I'm sorry but it's just not as black and white as you make it out to be. Having a bad year doesn't mean you suck. Tampa is a very very good team having a bad year.
- LeftCoaster

They are actually a lot more different that vantel wants to admit


- Redmile247

That's right, their one more point and 2 extra games played...

It's true. At first glance it would appear their youth is superior but they're really not ahead of us by much
- NorthNuck

I never look at it like whose ahead or doing better ...it's what stage your at ...the flames ripped the band aid off ...the Canucks have not ...this is why outsiders will say they are ahead

If he can finish the year how he's played so far I would have no problem seeing him here for another year
- NorthNuck

I think as long as Miller can keep up his play I would keep him to mentor demko ...once demko is ready to start NHL games ditch marky

They are actually a lot more different that vantel wants to admit


- Redmile247

Three years in a row always within 5 points.


Canuck fans know that their team is ugly Flames fan have the same ugly team but wont admit it.

I think it's same in a way ...but very different ...they have two goalies that aren't ufa at like over 10 million ...we are paying just over 4 for two and have no obligation to them past this year
- Redmile247

So you guys signing Bishop @ 8m-6years

That's right, their one more point and 2 extra games played...
- Makita

You don't see it ...and that's ok

With the exception of a select few pieces (Tanev, Hansen, Sbisa), this team does not really have many assets to move. We have O.J, Brock, Virtanen and our picks, which ideally should be untouchable. After that, we have a bunch of cusp prospects who frankly, wouldn't warrant anything over a 3rd/4th pick, at best.

Then we got the UFA route.
2017 big names - Thornton, Shattenkirk, Hanzel, Radolov, Oshie.
Benn, Hedman and Burns were set to hit the market but signed, as will some of the above names. Those remaining will be old as (frank) and expensive.

All that to say, apart from the D&D route, there ain't many other options. Attempting to hasten that process through trades/signings generally leads to failure.

A good portion of those teams you listed as Tank failures (Tor, Edm, AVs, FLA, BUF) actually tried to initially quicken their rebuilds in the first few years through bad trades and signings, hence delaying the inevitable.
- Whiskey-Tango

Well said.

I never look at it like whose ahead or doing better ...it's what stage your at ...the flames ripped the band aid off ...the Canucks have not ...this is why outsiders will say they are ahead
- Redmile247

to say that they ripped the band aid off is patently false.

the wound festered and they wallowed in obscurity. the band aid eventually fell off on its own.

(perhaps ominous for this side of the rockies)