the BJ franchise likes to claim it represents more than just Toronto and area, but i'm not buying it... i think there are a lot of people partial to other teams...
- kaptaan

Red Sox

Different positions and different skill-sets.

Brisebois for instance, is so highly regarded by this fanbase yet has been so underwhelming it's unreal.

Subban put more points in the AHL as rookie then Brisebois did as a draft plus one player in the Q lol.

Both look to be bottom pair guys, at-least Subban has demonstrated a knack for putting it in the opposing team's net.
- Whiskey-Tango

It's not all about points...he is 6'3, skates very well and is sound defensively. It's pretty impressive that he was the youngest captain in the Q. He was then traded to a stacked team and was immediately made captain. Not to mention he was the last cut for team Canada. I suppose both coaches and the team Canada brass are idiots

Yup, the sad thing is Don knows this too..... he's either the most willfully obstinate person I have interacted with on here.......or really good at pushing my buttons
- belcherbd

I like some of their writers, others not so much. I do think their quality of writing or at least coming up with original content has decreased but really it shouldn't be surprising considering most of their successful writers have been hired by NHL teams or other broadcasters.

As far as Subban being rated as 4th best, I haven't read the article yet but I don't see why he shouldn't be highly rated. I think everyone, including likely the CA crew, know he is a long shot but he does do some things at a very elite level.

If you look objectively at how well he has produced offense at the AHL level he is very similar to players like Deangelo who has been able to come in a produce in the NHL.
- belcherbd

I see him as 7 or 8 but don't have a problem with his ranking because the ones I like more are unproven like Brisebois Lockwood Gaudette

You really think Tanev will get a return of Gallgher, a 1st and more..

I'll be flying home on Friday, first thing I'm doing is rummaging through the closet for my canucks rose coloured glasses...
- Makita

I said maybe more, but definitely more than Gallagher by himself, and yes I would say that it would need to be a 1st to pry Tanev away from us, or we likely have better deals from other teams.

I said maybe more, but definitely more than Gallagher by himself, and yes I would say that it would need to be a 1st to pry Tanev away from us, or we likely have better deals from other teams.
- Retinalz

The Habs won't trade Gallagher, he's their heart and soul up front.

Just like the Canucks and all of B.C. ?

I know just as many people who are non Canucks fans living in B.C. Than Canucks fans living in B.C.

I still think the Canucks should market themselves as B.C.'s team much like the BJ's with canadas team
- Redmile247

Did you know there was 17 023 Flame fans in the world .That is the total number . Seven of them are regular posters on HB.

Yup, the sad thing is Don knows this too..... he's either the most willfully obstinate person I have interacted with on here.......or really good at pushing my buttons
- belcherbd

He's probably just having a great chuckle right now... remember when Vantel used to do same thing

It's not all about points...he is 6'3, skates very well and is sound defensively. It's pretty impressive that he was the youngest captain in the Q. He was then traded to a stacked team and was immediately made captain. Not to mention he was the last cut for team Canada. I suppose both coaches and the team Canada brass are idiots
- CanuckDon

That entire paragraph is almost verbatim a Jim Benning prospect report via 1040.

Points, specifically in an attempt to make the NHL is paramount among junior players but ok, let's go through your points.

Subban is undeniably the better skater, better transition mover and point producer so-far at all levels.

Defense:
Both Subban and Brisebois played on terrible junior teams, Bellville and Acadie respectively. Both tended to be deployed on the second paring, both saw significant power-play time. Brisebois was deployed on the P.K where-as it was a rare sight for J.S.

Subban, 253 OHL games, finished with a career minus -24
Brisebois, 213 QMJHL games, currently boasts a career minus -63.

If i was a betting man, I'd wager Subban's odds of being an NHL'er are alot higher then Brise but hey, it's all about those leadership intangibles eh?

He's probably just having a great chuckle right now... remember when Vantel used to do same thing
- Makita

And also, when the (frank) did being a captain correlate to being a good hockey player?

And also, when the (frank) did being a captain correlate to being a good hockey player?
- Whiskey-Tango

I think Kelly Buchberger hates you right now.

There's a guy who plays for Stockton who carries a mop and bucket around the ice and he still manages to put up points ..I think JV will be ok
- Redmile247

You really hate that Shink/Granlund trade.

That entire paragraph is almost verbatim a Jim Benning prospect report via 1040.

Points, specifically in an attempt to make the NHL is paramount among junior players but ok, let's go through your points.

Subban is undeniably the better skater, better transition mover and point producer so-far at all levels.

Defense:
Both Subban and Brisebois played on terrible junior teams, Bellville and Acadie respectively. Both tended to be deployed on the second paring, both saw significant power-play time. Brisebois was deployed on the P.K where-as it was a rare sight for J.S.

Subban, 253 OHL games, finished with a career minus -24
Brisebois, 213 QMJHL games, currently boasts a career minus -63.

If i was a betting man, I'd wager Subban's odds of being an NHL'er are alot higher then Brise but hey, it's all about those leadership intangibles eh?
- Whiskey-Tango

1) I don't listen to 1040 and I don't know what Benning says about Bris
2) I don't agree
3) Plus minus?
4) I am a betting man and I wager Brisbois has a higher likelihood at a career. Time will tell
5) One prospect has solid NHL size and one is tiny. You can't ignore Subban's size issues as well as his defensive short comings

- VANTEL

I pretty sure he became Eeyore just for you..

The thing with Subban is where does he fit in? There are six regular spots and two press box spots.

This team already has a fairly young D and some prospects that will probably push Subban out the door.

And also, when the (frank) did being a captain correlate to being a good hockey player?
- Whiskey-Tango

Would the coach make a 17 year a captain over 20 year olds if he was a plug?

I pretty sure he became Eeyore just for you..
- Makita

Just doing my job ,sheriff .

Would the coach make a 17 year a captain over 20 year olds if he was a plug?
- CanuckDon

Might as well have a plug lead the plugs?

He's probably just having a great chuckle right now... remember when Vantel used to do same thing
- Makita

Fo Sho.... they are both good posters

You figure the Janitor will ultimately be an NHL'er?
- Whiskey-Tango

Yeah I do ...I don't think he will live up to the jay feaster label
But all he really has to be is a 3rd line center and most will be pleased

The Habs won't trade Gallagher, he's their heart and soul up front.
- golfingsince

Not Patches, or Galchenyuk, or Shaw?

The thing with Subban is where does he fit in? There are six regular spots and two press box spots.

This team already has a fairly young D and some prospects that will probably push Subban out the door.
- VANTEL

Who knows.... but if he can make the PP click, you find a way don't you?

Might as well have a plug lead the plugs?
- golfingsince

touché...his current team is pretty stacked though

1) I don't listen to 1040 and I don't know what Benning says about Bris
2) I don't agree
3) Plus minus?
4) I am a betting man and I wager Brisbois has a higher likelihood at a career. Time will tell
5) One prospect has solid NHL size and one is tiny. You can't ignore Subban's size issues as well has his defensive short comings
- CanuckDon

We all know what QMJHL does to players +/-