oh for (frank) sakes, sorry but stop it with this crap. Its not sakic who built this mess single handily. Roy was the VP of hockey of operations and was acting as GM for the first full season and the next offseason until Sakic was formally made the GM. The same offseason that Stastny left, they did the team elect arb with ROR, they traded for and signed brad stuart, extended cody mcleod and jon mitchell to terrible contracts as 4th line guys, traded PAP for Danny Briere, traded for talbot. Roy was a menace

Roy is responsible as much if not more than Sakic for this roster. Sakic is not guilt free but Roy wasnt some hockey savant who saw this coming. He spent 3 years building that mess himself along with Sakic. He just pouted and quit when he didnt get his way to screw things up even more
- DDM-Coga

http://sports.yahoo.com/b...-continues-161203387.html

"It’s a formality, of course, as Sakic has been running the show since his triumphant return to the team in May 2013 to, as the Avalanche say, “oversee all hockey-related decisions.”"

Edit: Roy is not blameless in this either but at the end of the day it's Sakic who had the ultimate say and this is his responsibility

TBH, I never liked him.

- jochfr

He was an ego maniac as a coach and VP, I still love him as my avalanche legend goalie, but his views on how to build an NHL club were very dated and he refused to change.
After year 2 he should have realized it wasnt working...so what does he do, double downs on the same way of going about things and signs more Veteran French Canadian players to help "lead his core players"

He was an ego maniac as a coach and VP, I still love him as my avalanche legend goalie, but his views on how to build an NHL club were very dated and he refused to change.
After year 2 he should have realized it wasnt working...so what does he do, double downs on the same way of going about things and signs more Veteran French Canadian players to help "lead his core players"
- DDM-Coga

What was Sakic's role if Roy was signing players?

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/joe-sakic-named-avs-gm--sad-ballad-of-greg-sherman-continues-161203387.html

"It’s a formality, of course, as Sakic has been running the show since his triumphant return to the team in May 2013 to, as the Avalanche say, “oversee all hockey-related decisions.”"

Edit: Roy is not blameless in this either but at the end of the day it's Sakic who had the ultimate say and this is his responsibility
- Stripes77

Post quitting, Sakic said that Patty was always involved, Especially early on before he felt more comfortable with his role and had his own staff set up. He was always involved.

You think Patrick Roy was sitting on his hands for 3.5 years without having any say or influence in roster moves.

What was Sakic's role if Roy was signing players?
- sbroads24

It wasnt split duties as you do one thing and ill do the other, but if you dont think that the VP of Hockey Ops and the HC, that they were not signing and trading for players that Patty didnt like?

Alex Tanguay
Iginla
Beauchemin
Brad Stuart
Daniel Briere
Maxime Talbot

There is a theme there early on (should mention the agressive persuit of Brooks Orpik as a Free Agent). It was the vision that Roy had for the roster and they worked on it together to build. Well Roys vision sucked and Sakic tried to move away from it but the damage was already done. Even Roy filling out his coaching staff, all his ex QMJHL buddies or old school coaches like Farrish from his playing days.

Is there an avs game tonight?

Asking for a friend from the Sabres thread.

Is there an avs game tonight?

Asking for a friend from the Sabres thread.
- Der Kaiser

Ive canceled them for the season

Ive canceled them for the season
- DDM-Coga

Can we talk about the sabres, then?

Some were wondering about Petersen. This is an interview he did yesterday. I posted this in the last blog but start at 13:53 and Petersen discusses his future in Buffalo. Also take note of Kris Baker's thoughts at a round the 19:00 mark.


www.soundcloud.com/user-2...ow-episode-3-cal-petersen

Can we talk about the sabres, then?
- Der Kaiser

well you guys brought it up first giving the hot takes about why the Avs stink

But sorry, im pissy bc of all the Avs hot takes today

Can we talk about the sabres, then?
- Der Kaiser

you may regret this

you may regret this
- Sabresfan-365

I don't think that's possible.

well you guys brought it up first giving the hot takes about why the Avs stink

But sorry, im pissy bc of all the Avs hot takes today
- DDM-Coga

They'll be fine. Ditch the dead weight, fire some people. hire some good ones and find good value.

I don't think that's possible.
- Der Kaiser

probably right. Ive got nothing bad to say.They've won 3 in a row, Eichel doing Eichel things. Bylsma not doing Bylsma things. Good times.

probably right. Ive got nothing bad to say.They've won 3 in a row, Eichel doing Eichel things. Bylsma not doing Bylsma things. Good times.
- Sabresfan-365

I just like talking about my favorite team. Just like I like rooting for them.

I just like talking about my favorite team. Just like I like rooting for them.
- Der Kaiser

me too contrary to popular belief

I just like talking about my favorite team. Just like I like rooting for them.
- Der Kaiser

do you root root for the home team?

They'll be fine. Ditch the dead weight, fire some people. hire some good ones and find good value.
- Sabresfan-365

Oh, is that all?

William Nylander

for

Jake McCabe
2017 2nd round pick (Minnesota)
2018 2nd round pick
Justin Bailey

Who wins this trade? Just for fun.

William Nylander

for

Jake McCabe
2017 2nd round pick (Minnesota)
2018 2nd round pick
Justin Bailey

Who wins this trade? Just for fun.
- bluengold12

We can't afford to trade another Dman

8:30 puck drop?

We can't afford to trade another Dman
- chilliard77

Good point. Would assume Guhle goes into top 4 here and we trade for a top LD maybe Theadore or Montadour in Anaheim

do you root root for the home team?
- DDM-Coga

3 roots.

If they don't win it is a shame.

Good point. Would assume Guhle goes into top 4 here and we trade for a top LD maybe Theadore or Montadour in Anaheim
- bluengold12

Holy smoke.

Holy smoke.
- Der Kaiser

This is just for fun..

The thought of a line of

Nylander Eichel Nylander is so exciting.. that's where I came up with the idea.