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CaptainRivet
Buffalo Sabres
Location: on Bored, NY
Joined: 12.26.2008

Jan 30 @ 1:11 PM ET
Fair enough, but 2 points...


The first trade for Duchene. A developed top 6 young forward (see Kane) is not cheap. If you are saying Larsson is equal (or close) to McCabe you are really wrong. I hated that deal for Edmonton, but not the same player at all.

As for the Kane deal, this goes into expansion draft, some teams wont be able to protect all D men, so if they need to move one to not lose for nothing that is where we should swoop in. We are dealing for strength here, since we dont have a forced need to move him. (just my opinion)

- Lilroot9

12 points in 50 games. He better have damn good advanced stats.
BeadyEyedDouche
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Rustmine Ramsum most exciting Sabres klugdragger since Taro Tsujimoto
Joined: 07.01.2016

Jan 30 @ 1:15 PM ET
tl;dr
BeadyEyedDouche
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Rustmine Ramsum most exciting Sabres klugdragger since Taro Tsujimoto
Joined: 07.01.2016

Jan 30 @ 1:16 PM ET
From last blog.....

Here is my take.

McCabe + 2017 1st (lottery protected) + Bailey / Baptiste for Duchene.

Then Kane for top 4 D + 3rd rounder in 2017

Then Foligno for 2nd rounder

Then Girgensons + 2nd rounder for top 4 D

Then Franson for 3rd rounder (hope for 2nd, but doubt you get that)

Maybe Ennis and 2nd for 20 year old AHL (non NHL) player, but this one I doubt.

- Lilroot9



We should absolutely NOT trade Bailey if they would take Baptiste instead.
thatsapickle
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 03.08.2012

Jan 30 @ 1:16 PM ET
McDavid is one of the top 5 players in the NHL right now. Probably top 3.

Eichel is not in the top 20 yet.

An agent can use McDavid as leverage all he wants but it that's like an agent for Joe Pavelski using Crosby as a measuring stick.

- Stripes77



I agree, but an agent wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't try to get the most for his client.

I truly hope he gets the 6-7M bridge like Toews and Kane.
BeadyEyedDouche
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Rustmine Ramsum most exciting Sabres klugdragger since Taro Tsujimoto
Joined: 07.01.2016

Jan 30 @ 1:17 PM ET
Does anyone actually think we are really in on Duschene?
- Cup Crazy '07


Ek does
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Jan 30 @ 1:18 PM ET
Derek Grant to a waiver claim by the Dallas Stars

I think you meant Nashville...

- jochfr

yeah...thx
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Jan 30 @ 1:20 PM ET
The Sabres goalies rank 4th in the NHL in save percentage facing the most shots in the NHL...

I'd say that's pretty good. Sure it's only one stat they are 16th in GAA which is middle of the league but overall I would say they deserve better than a C

- Stripes77

those are some pretty good stats, but I meant what I said I the piece--they don't come up with a big in-game save often enough
Hatboro_Swords
Buffalo Sabres
Location: WE'RE PRACTICING THE POWER PLAY!, PA
Joined: 07.30.2010

Jan 30 @ 1:21 PM ET
No more than one day between games until the bye week. Sabres got to come out of the break on fire.
jochfr
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Nashville , TN
Joined: 07.11.2009

Jan 30 @ 1:22 PM ET
yeah...thx
- Michael Pachla

I wish you were right the first time...
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Jan 30 @ 1:22 PM ET
Overall this season Buffalo is 5-4 in overtime.

Grade: D+

little harsh there

overall 21 points in 15 games
9 points in last 5 games

I would agree before the 3 ot wins

- homiedclown

that includes shootout where they rank last in goals-against and 26th in shooting percentage...

those last three ot wins got them from an F to a D+, imo
sskkoo1
Buffalo Sabres
Location: You are all Weirdos, NY
Joined: 06.06.2012

Jan 30 @ 1:26 PM ET
We should absolutely NOT trade Bailey if they would take Baptiste instead.
- BeadyEyedDouche



You don't know if Bailey will be better than Baptiste long term. Bailey is just playing better now, last month Baptiste was playing better and everyone was ready to ship Bailey out of here.
mattsox
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 06.14.2012

Jan 30 @ 1:28 PM ET
You don't know if Bailey will be better than Baptiste long term. Bailey is just playing better now, last month Baptiste was playing better and everyone was ready to ship Bailey out of here.
- sskkoo1


Probably best to hold on to both of these players for the time being.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jan 30 @ 1:29 PM ET
You don't know if Bailey will be better than Baptiste long term. Bailey is just playing better now, last month Baptiste was playing better and everyone was ready to ship Bailey out of here.
- sskkoo1


"What have you done for me today"

Should be the running title to all Sabres comment sections.
BeadyEyedDouche
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Rustmine Ramsum most exciting Sabres klugdragger since Taro Tsujimoto
Joined: 07.01.2016

Jan 30 @ 1:32 PM ET
You don't know if Bailey will be better than Baptiste long term. Bailey is just playing better now, last month Baptiste was playing better and everyone was ready to ship Bailey out of here.
- sskkoo1


That's not true.
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Jan 30 @ 1:37 PM ET
That's not true.
- BeadyEyedDouche

why are we trading McCabe and bailey?
Lilroot9
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 06.18.2012

Jan 30 @ 1:39 PM ET
why are we trading McCabe and bailey?
- Michael Pachla


My speculation required players if you want Duchene. No real other reason.

I like McCabe but as the saying goes, if you want something you have to give up to get. Not saying we do it, but it would be part of the cost to get him.
BeadyEyedDouche
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Rustmine Ramsum most exciting Sabres klugdragger since Taro Tsujimoto
Joined: 07.01.2016

Jan 30 @ 1:42 PM ET
why are we trading McCabe and bailey?
- Michael Pachla


I'm asking the same question. I wouldn't trade them under any circumstance right now.
BeadyEyedDouche
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Rustmine Ramsum most exciting Sabres klugdragger since Taro Tsujimoto
Joined: 07.01.2016

Jan 30 @ 1:45 PM ET
"What have you done for me today"

Should be the running title to all Sabres comment sections.

- TheSabresTaco


To be fair, this is the result of years of futility. Both teams. AND THE BRAVES. AND BISONS.
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Jan 30 @ 1:46 PM ET
My speculation required players if you want Duchene. No real other reason.

I like McCabe but as the saying goes, if you want something you have to give up to get. Not saying we do it, but it would be part of the cost to get him.

- Lilroot9

got it...really like dutch but, if you're gonna go the forward route, landy sure would look good on o'relly's or eichel's wing
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Jan 30 @ 1:47 PM ET
I'm asking the same question. I wouldn't trade them under any circumstance right now.
- BeadyEyedDouche


if a hedman or oel-type became available, it sure would be tempting
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jan 30 @ 1:47 PM ET
I'm asking the same question. I wouldn't trade them under any circumstance right now.
- BeadyEyedDouche


Careful. There are those that will laugh at you.
Lilroot9
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 06.18.2012

Jan 30 @ 1:50 PM ET
got it...really like dutch but, if you're gonna go the forward route, landy sure would look good on o'relly's or eichel's wing
- Michael Pachla


I agree he is the better get. Not sure if that same package would do it or not though.

I would shoot for the moon and try to get both, but that would be something like

Kane
McCabe
Foligno
Baptiste
Bailey
2017 1st
2017 3rd
2018 2nd

for
Duchene
Landeskog

I would highly consider that. But not sure if that would even be enough to get them...
jochfr
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Nashville , TN
Joined: 07.11.2009

Jan 30 @ 1:51 PM ET
Careful. There are those that will laugh at you.
- TheSabresTaco

I got laughed at
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jan 30 @ 1:52 PM ET
I got laughed at
- jochfr


I laughed at you when you got laughed at.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: ICE DIRECTOR SAYS OVER 13 THOUSAND MURDERERS CROSSED OUR BORDER ILLEGALLY OVER THE LAST 4 YEARS, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jan 30 @ 1:53 PM ET
that includes shootout where they rank last in goals-against and 26th in shooting percentage...

those last three ot wins got them from an F to a D+, imo

- Michael Pachla

if eichel was here, how would those first shoot outs gone?
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