Sure, but this is kind of a general statement. Isn't it possible Draisaitl makes those plays too?

I like Reinhart, but the "cerebral" talk has always annoyed me. Like he's playing with a bunch of illiterate cavemen and he's reading Shakespeare on the bench.

Tons of guys make smart plays
- sbroads24

Sure it is
But I've seen Sam make those plays game in & game out & he doesn't get much recognition for it
Draisaitl might also do that,
But I don't watch the Oilers play
And I think it's safe to say that he benefits greatly from playing with McDavid

Does Reinhart also benefit from playing with Jack?
Sure
Probably not to the same extent though
And Reinhart has been constantly moved around as well
O'Reilly's wing, center, Jack's wing...
in a league where it's hard to score,
I think that would have an impact on a young player on the scoresheet...
even if he's still playing well in general

We're probably splitting hairs here
But I'm more than ok that we took Reinhart

Unless the balloon pops on his play, isn't Seidenberg a better target as an FA signing with his cheap contract and quality play?

That would allow them to aim higher regarding their main pickup while having Seidenberg be a quality cheap signing.
- kingcong39

No guarantee Seidenberg would sign here though.

Sure it is
But I've seen Sam make those plays game in & game out & he doesn't get much recognition for it
Draisaitl might also do that,
But I don't watch the Oilers play
And I think it's safe to say that he benefits greatly from playing with McDavid

Does Reinhart also benefit from playing with Jack?
Sure
Probably not to the same extent though
And Reinhart has been constantly moved around as well
O'Reilly's wing, center, Jack's wing...
in a league where it's hard to score,
I think that would have an impact on a young player on the scoresheet...
even if he's still playing well in general

We're probably splitting hairs here
But I'm more than ok that we took Reinhart
- jdfitz77

Yeah, but nobody is always calling Draisatl "cerebral" so apparently he's not as annoying, and therefore he's a better NHLer.

Sure it is
But I've seen Sam make those plays game in & game out & he doesn't get much recognition for it
Draisaitl might also do that,
But I don't watch the Oilers play
And I think it's safe to say that he benefits greatly from playing with McDavid

Does Reinhart also benefit from playing with Jack?
Sure
Probably not to the same extent though
And Reinhart has been constantly moved around as well
O'Reilly's wing, center, Jack's wing...
in a league where it's hard to score,
I think that would have an impact on a young player on the scoresheet...
even if he's still playing well in general

We're probably splitting hairs here
But I'm more than ok that we took Reinhart
- jdfitz77

So have other players, like Leon.

Listen, I like Reinhart. He's good. But nothing he's doing should he considered great or exceeding expectations. He's a 2nd overly pick. We should expect really good production, *especially* when guys picked throughout that round are already producing.

Sure it is
But I've seen Sam make those plays game in & game out & he doesn't get much recognition for it
Draisaitl might also do that,
But I don't watch the Oilers play
And I think it's safe to say that he benefits greatly from playing with McDavid

Does Reinhart also benefit from playing with Jack?
Sure
Probably not to the same extent though
And Reinhart has been constantly moved around as well
O'Reilly's wing, center, Jack's wing...
in a league where it's hard to score,
I think that would have an impact on a young player on the scoresheet...
even if he's still playing well in general

We're probably splitting hairs here
But I'm more than ok that we took Reinhart
- jdfitz77

Reinhart started off last season pretty slow too though. So was the lack of point production when Eichel was out due to the fact that Eichel was out or was it just how Sam starts off each year?

Just a thought. They were talking about it on WGR the other day.

Yeah, but nobody is always calling Draisatl "cerebral" so apparently he's not as annoying, and therefore he's a better NHLer.
- Der Kaiser

Basically the only criteria you need in order for that statement to qualify is to not be a member of the Buffalo Sabres.

Everyone everywhere else in the league is better.

Wouldn't McCabe allow them to lose Myers in the expansion draft while retaining a quality D player on a much better contract?

That's how I'd look at it.
- kingcong39

They'd be trading Trouba, plus losing Myers...
and getting back McCabe & cap space

So whatever else they got with McCabe would have to be significant imo for it to make sense for them to just let Myers go to get that extra cap space

I don't see it making sense for them
Who knows though?

If they also trade Myers & get something back on defense they don't have to protect then it could be a smart move for them
Although they could just do that in the first place & not move Trouba
Unless he really just wants to go

So have other players, like Leon.

Listen, I like Reinhart. He's good. But nothing he's doing should he considered great or exceeding expectations. He's a 2nd overly pick. We should expect really good production, *especially* when guys picked throughout that round are already producing.
- sbroads24

Refer back to the list I posted of guys Reinhart has more goals than this year


EDIT
Some players Reinhart has more goals than:

Corey Perry
Jonathan Toews
Aleksander Barkov
Henri Zetterberg
Gabriel Landeskog
Alex Steen
Zach Parise
Ryan Getzlaf
Jason Spezza
Anze Kopitar
Sean Couturier
Max Domi
Evgeny Kuznetsov
Matthew Tkachuk
Tyler Toffoli

Reinhart started off last season pretty slow too though. So was the lack of point production when Eichel was out due to the fact that Eichel was out or was it just how Sam starts off each year?

Just a thought. They were talking about it on WGR the other day.
- HonkFortheGoose

A big part of this issue for me is that's it's way too small a sample size for us to really know

My bottom line...
Sam is "producing"
And I see him make little plays all the time that either make a difference, or have the potential to do so

I think he's a really good player
And if he's "not producing enough" but still has more goals than Getzlaf, Perry, and a whole mess of other guys who are very good players,
then I'm just saying...

It's not that Sam isn't a good player
It's more likely that it's just really hard to consistently score in this league

Are you people serious? why would we move McCabe + for Trouba ? what is so special about Trouba? I just don't get it with some on this blog people overvalue other teams players way to much. Can't wait to run Kane, McCabe, Reinhart and others out of town.

Refer back to the list I posted of guys Reinhart has more goals than this year
- jdfitz77

He's tied for 99th in scoring so far this season (includes d-men), so he's outscoring a lot of people. 99th overall (higher if removing d-men) puts him at a scoring level of a 1st line guy (divide the position by 30 teams and he'd be a 3rd highest scorer on any team if distributed that way).

That's pretty decent for a team that has struggled to score goals for nearly the first half of the season.

I'm sure counter-arguments in the way of individuals with more points can be thrown against it, but I'm not going to complain about my team's 2nd year player "only" being ranked around there.

They'd be trading Trouba, plus losing Myers...
and getting back McCabe & cap space

So whatever else they got with McCabe would have to be significant imo for it to make sense for them to just let Myers go to get that extra cap space

I don't see it making sense for them
Who knows though?

If they also trade Myers & get something back on defense they don't have to protect then it could be a smart move for them
Although they could just do that in the first place & not move Trouba
Unless he really just wants to go
- jdfitz77

The only way they trade Trouba is if he wants out, so I am using that as the reasoning for him being available.

What you said in the first part is why I said it would likely be McCabe plus Nylander, and maybe a pick as well, as the price to get Trouba from the Jets.

Are you people serious? why would we move McCabe + for Trouba ? what is so special about Trouba? I just don't get it with some on this blog people overvalue other teams players way to much. Can't wait to run Kane, McCabe, Reinhart and others out of town.
- SABRES 89

To be fair, depending on the plus: you wouldn't trade McCabe for Trouba?

I sure would. He's everything you would hope McCabe will be, and more, already.

The only way they trade Trouba is if he wants out, so I am using that as the reasoning for him being available.

What you said in the first part is why I said it would likely be McCabe plus Nylander, and maybe a pick as well, as the price to get Trouba from the Jets.
- kingcong39

McCabe and Nylander for Trouba ?are you kidding me ? what the hell has Trouba done that we have to give up all that. Unreal

To be fair, depending on the plus: you wouldn't trade McCabe for Trouba?

I sure would. He's everything you would hope McCabe will be, and more, already.
- kingcong39

Fair? really, what has Trouba done ? overvalue much.

A big part of this issue for me is that's it's way too small a sample size for us to really know

My bottom line...
Sam is "producing"
And I see him make little plays all the time that either make a difference, or have the potential to do so

I think he's a really good player
And if he's "not producing enough" but still has more goals than Getzlaf, Perry, and a whole mess of other guys who are very good players,
then I'm just saying...

It's not that Sam isn't a good player
It's more likely that it's just really hard to consistently score in this league
- jdfitz77

I agree. The scoring trends have been on a downward slope since pretty much the year right out of the full season lockout. The amount of guys that score at a PPG pace is less and less every year.

I think it has to do with the fact that the goalies are just insanely big and athletic, and the lack of interference calls across the board.

Too much of the game is played in the neutral zone these days. It's really a damn shame too, because the games are SUPER boring because of it.

He's tied for 99th in scoring so far this season (includes d-men), so he's outscoring a lot of people. 99th overall (higher if removing d-men) puts him at a scoring level of a 1st line guy (divide the position by 30 teams and he'd be a 3rd highest scorer on any team if distributed that way).

That's pretty decent for a team that has struggled to score goals for nearly the first half of the season.

I'm sure counter-arguments in the way of individuals with more points can be thrown against it, but I'm not going to complain about my team's 2nd year player "only" being ranked around there.
- stashu

You're being way too reasonable and realistic. I don't appreciate it.

He's tied for 99th in scoring so far this season (includes d-men), so he's outscoring a lot of people. 99th overall (higher if removing d-men) puts him at a scoring level of a 1st line guy (divide the position by 30 teams and he'd be a 3rd highest scorer on any team if distributed that way).

That's pretty decent for a team that has struggled to score goals for nearly the first half of the season.

I'm sure counter-arguments in the way of individuals with more points can be thrown against it, but I'm not going to complain about my team's 2nd year player "only" being ranked around there.
- stashu

I don't think ppl fully appreciate how hard it is to consistently score in this league

Bottom line is that Reinhart is a good player
Even Crosby hits stretches where he doesn't score
I think there's a lot of overreacting that goes on here

Probably bc many on here are so passionate though

We have to many 5-5.5 mill a year contracts tied to crap players, that's the problem with this team.

I agree. The scoring trends have been on a downward slope since pretty much the year right out of the full season lockout. The amount of guys that score at a PPG pace is less and less every year.

I think it has to do with the fact that the goalies are just insanely big and athletic, and the lack of interference calls across the board.

Too much of the game is played in the neutral zone these days. It's really a damn shame too, because the games are SUPER boring because of it.
- HonkFortheGoose

Add in far, far too much play along the boards every single game and I totally agree.

I agree. The scoring trends have been on a downward slope since pretty much the year right out of the full season lockout. The amount of guys that score at a PPG pace is less and less every year.

I think it has to do with the fact that the goalies are just insanely big and athletic, and the lack of interference calls across the board.

Too much of the game is played in the neutral zone these days. It's really a damn shame too, because the games are SUPER boring because of it.
- HonkFortheGoose

I really wish the NHL would do more to open up scoring
Idc what it is
Call penalties, make the nets bigger, whatever....

If the NFL can realize that fans wanna see scoring...
why can't the NHL get their heads outta their asses?!

McCabe and Nylander for Trouba ?are you kidding me ? what the hell has Trouba done that we have to give up all that. Unreal
- SABRES 89

Trouba is a tremendous player who is playing very well this season and on a reasonable contract where he will still be an RFA at the end of it.

I didn't say I would trade both McCabe and Nylander, and possibly more for Trouba.

I was only guessing at the asking price the Jets would want for him.

He's tied for 99th in scoring so far this season (includes d-men), so he's outscoring a lot of people. 99th overall (higher if removing d-men) puts him at a scoring level of a 1st line guy (divide the position by 30 teams and he'd be a 3rd highest scorer on any team if distributed that way).

That's pretty decent for a team that has struggled to score goals for nearly the first half of the season.

I'm sure counter-arguments in the way of individuals with more points can be thrown against it, but I'm not going to complain about my team's 2nd year player "only" being ranked around there.
- stashu

No one's complaining.

He's a 2nd overall pick 3 years removed from his draft.

Shouldn't he be top 100 in scoring?

He's doing at the very least what he should be. Nothing more

We have to many 5-5.5 mill a year contracts tied to crap players, that's the problem with this team.
- SABRES 89

Idk if that's super accurate?

Most teams have contracts they'd like to get rid of

Trouba is a tremendous player who is playing very well this season and on a reasonable contract where he will still be an RFA at the end of it.

I didn't say I would trade both McCabe and Nylander, and possibly more for Trouba.

I was only guessing at the asking price the Jets would want for him.
- kingcong39

How is he tremendous player? I just don't get or see it.