Bill - Carter Hutton, not Hart.

Anyone who thinks this team is close to being a legit contender is fooling themselves. Light years away.
- PLindbergh31

Is there another Richards/Carter trade out there?

In 4 games since the ASG, they have 1 non empty net ES goal.

Ouch


- BiggE

Isles scored 5 ES goals just last night!

In 4 games since the ASG, they have 1 non empty net ES goal.

Ouch


- BiggE

Lol. Not much room out there on the ice!

Isles scored 5 ES goals just last night!
- YuenglingJagr

They are a mess though

Since it's full on doom and gloom, what could the Flyers realistically get from ARZ if we offered Giroux and Simmonds? I'm using ARZ because 1. They will have top draft pick. 2. They have cap space and have a fair amount of pending UFAS and cheap young players. 3. Some added veteran players would fit their age group / balance of their team (especially Simmonds as a team leader).

I understand what Hak is trying to do with this defensive style they're playing, but they are taking it too far. They seem to be playing not to lose, rather than playing to win and that just isn't going to work. You have to allow the few skilled players you have to open things up a bit and take some chances. Expecting guys like Giroux and Ghost to play like Vandevelde and Schultz is not a recipe for success.

Since it's full on doom and gloom, what could the Flyers realistically get from ARZ if we offered Giroux and Simmonds? I'm using ARZ because 1. They will have top draft pick. 2. They have cap space and have a fair amount of pending UFAS and cheap young players. 3. Some added veteran players would fit their age group / balance of their team (especially Simmonds as a team leader).
- arichardson22

Clayton Keller would be the only target.

If your moving Simmonds, I want a guy like Draisatl coming back. You'll need to add a top D prospect to get a deal like that done.
- BiggE

I would like him too. But I think Edmonton will move Nugent-Hopkins before Draisatl.

I understand what Hak is trying to do with this defensive style they're playing, but they are taking it too far. They seem to be playing not to lose, rather than playing to win and that just isn't going to work. You have to allow the few skilled players you have to open things up a bit and take some chances. Expecting guys like Giroux and Ghost to play like Vandevelde and Schultz is not a recipe for success.
- BiggE

I noticed more aggressiveness from the d last night. More pinching. Doesn't mean it worked

Since it's full on doom and gloom, what could the Flyers realistically get from ARZ if we offered Giroux and Simmonds? I'm using ARZ because 1. They will have top draft pick. 2. They have cap space and have a fair amount of pending UFAS and cheap young players. 3. Some added veteran players would fit their age group / balance of their team (especially Simmonds as a team leader).
- arichardson22

Simmonds is one of like 4 veteran players I wouldn't trade unless it was for a stupid overpayment. He is probably one of the more prized players around the NHL.

I would like him too. But I think Edmonton will move Nugent-Hopkins before Draisatl.
- J35Bacher

Yup, probably.

Since it's full on doom and gloom, what could the Flyers realistically get from ARZ if we offered Giroux and Simmonds? I'm using ARZ because 1. They will have top draft pick. 2. They have cap space and have a fair amount of pending UFAS and cheap young players. 3. Some added veteran players would fit their age group / balance of their team (especially Simmonds as a team leader).
- arichardson22

Domi, Keller, and 1st.

I understand what Hak is trying to do with this defensive style they're playing, but they are taking it too far. They seem to be playing not to lose, rather than playing to win and that just isn't going to work. You have to allow the few skilled players you have to open things up a bit and take some chances. Expecting guys like Giroux and Ghost to play like Vandevelde and Schultz is not a recipe for success.
- BiggE

Like Hitchcock is known for?

I would like him too. But I think Edmonton will move Nugent-Hopkins before Draisatl.
- J35Bacher

And the Flyers would likely move Schenn before Simmonds.

I noticed more aggressiveness from the d last night. More pinching. Doesn't mean it worked
- Just5

Last night I actually thought they played a good game until that 1st goal. They seemed to be going to the net. Playing a tight defense, not giving up chances. They just have a small degree of wiggle room to win games.

Simmonds is one of like 4 veteran players I wouldn't trade unless it was for a stupid overpayment. He is probably one of the more prized players around the NHL.
- jmatchett383

I have no desire to move Simmonds. It's just a known he would get us the best return. I think if you make Simmonds available you have every NHL GM interested. It doesn't matter if it's a contender or a poop team. His tangibles are cherished by any team, coach, fan base, and GM.

Simmonds is one of like 4 veteran players I wouldn't trade unless it was for a stupid overpayment. He is probably one of the more prized players around the NHL.
- jmatchett383

If I'm moving Simmonds it's only as part of a deal to bring back a legit #1C who is 23 or younger. Period.

He's certainly, IMO, a better coach than Hakstol. As is Hitch.
- BiggE

Yes, far more experience in the NHL.

If I'm moving Simmonds it's only as part of a deal to bring back a legit #1C who is 23 or younger. Period.
- BiggE

Amen.

I have no desire to move Simmonds. It's just a known he would get us the best return. I think if you make Simmonds available you have every NHL GM interested. It doesn't matter if it's a contender or a poop team. His tangibles are cherished by any team, coach, fan base, and GM.
- arichardson22

Actually, Provorov would get the best return. Who should we shop him to?

Simmonds is one of like 4 veteran players I wouldn't trade unless it was for a stupid overpayment. He is probably one of the more prized players around the NHL.
- jmatchett383

Flyers would get a haul. And they'd be trading him at his peak value for a team not less than 3 years (the end of his contract) Away from seriously competing

Flyers would get a haul. And they'd be trading him at his peak value for a team not less than 3 years (the end of his contract) Away from seriously competing
- Just5

They'd likely be trading the best player in the deal, which is never a good thing. Trading a star player for a bunch of prospects and spare parts isn't my idea of good asset management.

If I'm moving Simmonds it's only as part of a deal to bring back a legit #1C who is 23 or younger. Period.
- BiggE

Absolutely. Ideally it would be for a prospect not that green trending along in that direction

I understand what Hak is trying to do with this defensive style they're playing, but they are taking it too far. They seem to be playing not to lose, rather than playing to win and that just isn't going to work. You have to allow the few skilled players you have to open things up a bit and take some chances. Expecting guys like Giroux and Ghost to play like Vandevelde and Schultz is not a recipe for success.
- BiggE

That's not what I saw last night. They were pretty aggressive and played a style that isn't anywhere near taking it too far.