What is the best case scenario for the Flyers D prospects? They all pan out and they have a legit contending d core in 5 years?? If that dream scenario happens, where is the scoring coming from??
- PLindbergh31

Hopefully Simmonds, Voracek, Konecny, Laberge, Lindblom, NAK, Couturier, and Giroux, as well as guys like Provorov/Ghost/Myers/Sanheim. Who was going to be able to score for LA in 2012, a team that finished 29th in league scoring?

And the only player we can trade for one is to move Simmonds? That is the only way? You can't sign Tavares in UFA or trade for him? You can't trade anyone else for one? No one else has any value at all?

Also, Lindblom has played exactly zero games in the NHL.

Edit: If something comes along where you can't turn it down, anyone on the roster can be traded. But to me, it would have to be a ridiculous overpayment for Simmonds, not a Duchesne type return.
- jmatchett383

Your answer is to sign or trade for Tavares?

No you can't trade anyone else for one. Unless you want to move voracek or put provorov into the equation

He, Voracek, and Provorov are the only 3 untouchable players on the team (barring something crazy) to me.

Edit: Something crazy is like Jamie Benn for a Simmonds package or McDavid in a Provorov package.
- jmatchett383

Those are the untouchables in my mind as well. I wouldn't just trade Simmonds for the sake of trading him. It would have to be a wowzer and would have to help us get that impact center prospect wit 1C possibility

At times yes. It just seems like the entire lineup is gripping their sticks too tight and are afraid to make mistakes. They are getting some shots, but very few prime scoring chances.
- BiggE

They don't have that "sniper" who has the shot that can finish. We used to have a guy named Jeff Carter who could do that.

Your answer is to sign or trade for Tavares?

No you can't trade anyone else for one. Unless you want to move voracek or put provorov into the equation
- Just5

So you don't think a package involving Schenn, Couturier, Ghost, and one of our prospect could get one? Not saying I'd do that, just that trading Simmonds would be my last resort. And yes, signing Tavares and moving Giroux would be my answer.

I'm just not on board with it, and will leave it at that.

ARZ is pretty weak up the middle. Even more so if Hanzal doesn't resign in offseason. I used Giroux because it's been thrown around here that he's hard to trade. Package him with Simmonds and it's more attractive of a deal. Their age group is extremely young as I stated. And even more so with Vbrtaa, Hanzal, and Doan all possibly going. You add Giroux you have a 1C/2C, a good faceoof guy, a PP specialist and a player to add to the marketing of the team. The main component of the deal for ARZ is getting Simmonds; Giroux is more a salary move on our end and a opportunity for ARZ to get him for a discount I suppose. At the end of the day, it's hypothetical talk fitting the doom and gloom vibes of the thread / recent times.
- arichardson22

I think you just have to ask yourself a couple of simple questions. Why would Arizona be interested in a 29 year old center who appears to be past his prime and declining, who is signed to a long term contract? Why would they give up any quality young assets that it would take for the Flyers to trade Giroux? The answer in my opinion is obvious.

I think you just have to ask yourself a couple of simple questions. Why would Arizona be interested in a 29 year old center who appears to be past his prime and declining, who is signed to a long term contract? Why would they give up any quality young assets that it would take for the Flyers to trade Giroux? The answer in my opinion is obvious.
- MJL

He's still a high-80s player in the EA series.

So you don't think a package involving Schenn, Couturier, Ghost, and one of our prospect could get one? Not saying I'd do that, just that trading Simmonds would be my last resort.

I'm just not on board with it, and will leave it at that.
- jmatchett383

That's a ridiculous hypothetical. I'm saying it's the most logical avenue to get one IMO. If you dont think it's that big of an issue that's your opinion. Tough Trades are made all the time in this league

I think you just have to ask yourself a couple of simple questions. Why would Arizona be interested in a 29 year old center who appears to be past his prime and declining, who is signed to a long term contract? Why would they give up any quality young assets that it would take for the Flyers to trade Giroux? The answer in my opinion is obvious.
- MJL

Yeah.

And would Giroux really want to go to Arizona? I don't see it.

It would probably be a team who needs a bump to get over the hump in the playoffs or be more of a threat. I could see Ottawa. I could see Montreal. For Giroux it's hard to find a great fit. That's why I feel like he is more in the Rick Nash return.

After thinking overnight:

We have 4 or 5 of 6 pieces of the top 6.

x-Giroux-Voracek
Schenn-Coots-Simmonds

I debate Coots where I have him would really prefer him as 3C. So if I'm looking to work with this fact they need a 1LW and a 1C or 2C depending on where you want to slot Giroux.

The most drastic move is actually the one I make. I trade Jake for the best we can get maybe dangling Sanheim or Hagg in the package with our #1 next year hoping to grab the 1C. Then I do the following.

Schenn-new 1C- Simmonds
Lindbolm-Giroux- Konecny

The I try to trade some of Read, Bellemare, VandeVelde (I know), Schultz, Del Zotto, and Streit. Depending on who you move of those we can fill the bottom 6 with Coots, Weise, Lyubimov, prospects and maybe some of the return.

D pairs
Provorov-MacDonald (sorry it has to be)
Hagg/Sanheim-Gudas
Ghost/Morin

Manning as 7.

This season is out of control....

That was an outstanding performance turned in by a former farmhand now Vezina candidate C. Huttstone.

Carter Ugh...

I think we looked really great tonight. Power play was outstanding!

We also really got a spark out of VDV's line.

Giroux played a really hard perimeter game.

Ghost in the press box is also a really good thing.
It really has to be helping his development and his +/-.

Our coach has really been stellar in his never wavering tight structure of college hockey and the death stare seems to be really working on Multimillionaires/millionaires and 100kaires.

I totally see sitting Ghost, he may not get a Lettermens jacket in hockey this season.
- Konalover

Ghost in the press box is the best thing for him. It is part of every players development to go through a period where they are scratched. It is up to Ghost to take that and use that to motivate himself to be better. Flyers are not scoring and that doesn't soley rely on Ghost. The guy has done much this season anyways. It is a team game and frankly the team lacks offense, always have. Flyers need a top 6 winger, they need more offense out of Couturier, they need a 3rd line that is actually a threat on the ice. Giroux has also been awful. He honestly looks like he is declining.

After thinking overnight:

We have 4 or 5 of 6 pieces of the top 6.

x-Giroux-Voracek
Schenn-Coots-Simmonds

I debate Coots where I have him would really prefer him as 3C. So if I'm looking to work with this fact they need a 1LW and a 1C or 2C depending on where you want to slot Giroux.

The most drastic move is actually the one I make. I trade Jake for the best we can get maybe dangling Sanheim or Hagg in the package with our #1 next year hoping to grab the 1C. Then I do the following.

Schenn-new 1C- Simmonds
Lindbolm-Giroux- Konecny

The I try to trade some of Read, Bellemare, VandeVelde (I know), Schultz, Del Zotto, and Streit. Depending on who you move of those we can fill the bottom 6 with Coots, Weise, Lyubimov, prospects and maybe some of the return.

D pairs
Provorov-MacDonald (sorry it has to be)
Hagg/Sanheim-Gudas
Ghost/Morin

Manning as 7.
- dragonoffrost

No matter where you slot Couturier he is always probably going to see 2nd line minutes if he is playing against the top line.

I wouldn't move Voracek as he is one who can drive possession and create for you.

I pick Simmonds because not that I hate him but because he is someone that is on most attractive deal, has an attractive skill set and intangibles. But also he needs others around him. he isn't going to be a guy to really create for his line like Voracek or Giroux can.

Voracek and Giroux are tough moves because of the big cap hits they have. Yes the flyers were able to move the long term deals of carter and Richards but those cap hits were under 6 million.

No matter where you slot Couturier he is always probably going to see 2nd line minutes if he is playing against the top line.

I wouldn't move Voracek as he is one who can drive possession and create for you.

I pick Simmonds because not that I hate him but because he is someone that is on most attractive deal, has an attractive skill set and intangibles. But also he needs others around him. he isn't going to be a guy to really create for his line like Voracek or Giroux can.

Voracek and Giroux are tough moves because of the big cap hits they have. Yes the flyers were able to move the long term deals of carter and Richards but those cap hits were under 6 million.
- J35Bacher

My issue with moving Simmonds is we need his intangibles here.

Team posted 96 points last year and is playoff position (somehow) this season. Hakstol, for whatever his real and imagined flaws, isn't going to be fired. He gets at least one more season, especially since Hextall hand-picked him. Also, a change behind the bench isn't going to fix the personnel issues any more than the change from Chief to Hakstol. The team ideally needs an entire additional scoring line and for their young Dmen to mature fast (with Gostisbehere returning to his rookie form).
- bmeltzer

Bill,

Please help me here...

What is this team's identity?

They say a team take on the personality of it's coach, fantastic. What is it?

Trade everyone for other stuff because Flyers.
- jmatchett383

Trade them all and sign briere

The second goal was the biggest back breaker, but before that I thought the team looked pretty good. They had some good shifts in the offensive zone, but St. Louis played it tight at the point and blocked a lot of shots.

My issue with moving Simmonds is we need his intangibles here.
- dragonoffrost

Intangibles are nice.

But I need to get more talent and depth on this roster.

My issue with moving Simmonds is we need his intangibles here.
- dragonoffrost

What intangibles? He is part of the same "core" that is apparently to blame because issues have remained through 3 coaches.

Doan + Datsyuk + 1st for Giroux + Simmonds

Doan + Datsyuk + 1st for Giroux + Simmonds
- Streit2ThePoint

Yeah.

And would Giroux really want to go to Arizona? I don't see it.

It would probably be a team who needs a bump to get over the hump in the playoffs or be more of a threat. I could see Ottawa. I could see Montreal. For Giroux it's hard to find a great fit. That's why I feel like he is more in the Rick Nash return.
- J35Bacher

The most likely scenario is a team looking to add a player to put them in that true contender status, that is willing to give up quality youth and assets, willing to take on the remainder of the contract, and be able to fit him into their cap structure and agree to any other factors such as the Flyers retaining salary. The bottom line is a trade of Giroux would be very difficult to pull off.

Is it a foregone conclusion that Lindblom comes to NA next season? I mean, ya, the odds are pretty good, but he hasn't even signed a contract yet...

Bill,

Please help me here...

What is this team's identity?

They say a team take on the personality of it's coach, fantastic. What is it?
- ggunky

Still in the womb, work in progress, etc etc.