Pratt is a moron saying Hansen for a 2nd which is about 45-60OA.
Thats simply idiotic.
- Nighthawk

Seems about right to me. Why do you think that?

this is the most Crack-headed post i have seen here

so your saying the Canucks assests would split and FA would own both teams?
Abit of a conflict there let alone the further weakening of our lacking prospect pool
just crazy
- onesmallleap

It's all very hypothetical. But in that scenario the three criticized areas aging players, ownership and lack of high draft picks are addressed in one fell swoop. Of course FA would have to give up ownership of one of the teams. I am not for it or against it. Just a new tangent of topic to ponder or reject.

why is that idiotic?
with the expansion draft and protection issues why not get something for old assets
- onesmallleap

Why not keep him instead than give away for not much?
Do u think a 45-60OA pick is something valuable?

As long as those droids aren't made in Sweden you might be on to something there.
- CubanBuffet

Benning doesn't shop at ikea... he can't build anything himself, even with instructions.

(That was for lefty)

Let me be more clear on a late 2nd round pick....

Hansen has a few good years left as a very good top 9.
A 2nd rounder has a 35% chance of being an NHLer.
Why would we would risk looking to strike gold or fail epically?

Why not keep him instead than give away for not much?
Do u think a 45-60OA pick is something valuable?
- Nighthawk

yes. it is proven to be very valuable. Taffoli, Weber, Duncan Kieth, Tatar, Hamonic, Kucherov... the list goes on. The amount of current NHL players and superstars picked in the range you're talking about is unbelievable. I'm not sure where you got 35% from, explain what you mean here.

Why not keep him instead than give away for not much?
Do u think a 45-60OA pick is something valuable?
- Nighthawk

For a rebuilding team with a GM purportedly to be a good drafter, yes it is valuable.

You ask for more but a 2nd is worth the trade if that's all that the market dictates.

Why not keep him instead than give away for not much?
Do u think a 45-60OA pick is something valuable?
- Nighthawk

to me personally its an asset for the future , but i am in no way a second round draft pick dreamer either.
if there was no expansion this year , i would not do it , but there is that elephant in the room to deal with

Let me be more clear on a late 2nd round pick....

Hansen has a few good years left as a very good top 9.
A 2nd rounder has a 35% chance of being an NHLer.
Why would we would risk looking to strike gold or fail epically?
- Nighthawk

Because its better than nothing? One of Sven, Granlund, or Hansen will be exposed and taken. On a rebuilding/retooling team 2 are under 25 and one is over 30...

For a rebuilding team with a GM purportedly to be a good drafter, yes it is valuable.

You ask for more but a 2nd is worth the trade if that's all that the market dictates.
- RealityChecker

Idc what the market dictates cuz no need to panic when keeping him or hold out for a better deal comes along or in a package deal for a better deal. Its not a fire sale & Hansen is more valuable than most believe.

Let me be more clear on a late 2nd round pick....

Hansen has a few good years left as a very good top 9.
A 2nd rounder has a 35% chance of being an NHLer.
Why would we would risk looking to strike gold or fail epically?
- Nighthawk

Because the Nucks are tanking. Getting a 2nd round draft pick (on the proposed assumption Benning is fantastic at drafting) to select someone that is more in line with the age group when they plan on competing again, will be better than holding on to a guy who'll be 31 in 5 weeks time.

It's tanking 101.

Because its better than nothing? One of Sven, Granlund, or Hansen will be exposed and taken. On a rebuilding/retooling team 2 are under 25 and one is over 30...
- WhiteLie

Better than nothing wreaks of a panic trade.
Its a long ways off til the expansion draft.

Because its better than nothing? One of Sven, Granlund, or Hansen will be exposed and taken. On a rebuilding/retooling team 2 are under 25 and one is over 30...
- WhiteLie

Seems like a good answer to me...keep the youth and ad some more. Not everyone can see this club has no future and needs to be completely reinvented

Because the Nucks are tanking. Getting a 2nd round draft pick (on the proposed assumption Benning is fantastic at drafting) to select someone that is more in line with the age group when they plan on competing again, will be better than holding on to a guy who'll be 31 in 5 weeks time.

It's tanking 101.
- walshyleafsfan

There is many better prospects to trade for than mid to late 2nd round picks.

Idc what the market dictates cuz no need to panic when keeping him or hold out for a better deal comes along or in a package deal for a better deal. Its not a fire sale & Hansen is more valuable than most believe.
- Nighthawk

Yup. Gotta hold out for the best deal when trading this team's vets. Wait em out JB. What could go wrong?

yes. it is proven to be very valuable. Taffoli, Weber, Duncan Kieth, Tatar, Hamonic, Kucherov... the list goes on. The amount of current NHL players and superstars picked in the range you're talking about is unbelievable. I'm not sure where you got 35% from, explain what you mean here.
- neem55

A study/piece was done a while back on the outcome of NHL drafts and quantified the players taken by the amount of NHL games they played

I think he is referencing one of these:
http://www.tsn.ca/playing...in-the-nhl-draft-1.206144
http://www.tsn.ca/statist...-nhl-draft-picks-1.317819

Better than nothing wreaks of a panic trade.
Its a long ways off til the expansion draft.
- Nighthawk

You believe Hansen is worth more to a team in the off season, then he is going down the stretch to a team contending for a cup? Nope sorry , don't think so.

A study/piece was done a while back on the outcome of NHL drafts and quantified the players taken by the amount of NHL games they played

I think he is referencing one of these:
http://www.tsn.ca/playing...in-the-nhl-draft-1.206144
http://www.tsn.ca/statist...-nhl-draft-picks-1.317819
- WhiteLie

44% sounds a bit more like it

You believe Hansen is worth more to a team in the off season, then he is going down the stretch to a team contending for a cup? Nope sorry , don't think so.
- Bullfrog77

How did u read that into my post?

Better than nothing wreaks of a panic trade.
Its a long ways off til the expansion draft.
- Nighthawk

TDL will be better than waiting until right before the expansion draft to move him. Thats when the real panic will set in for them as the market is no longer focused on Cup runs.

Canucks always wait for the better deal to come around, then we get stuck moving a top NHL goalie for a 1st round pick, another top NHL goalie for two project players, low ball offer on pending UFA's etc. Cut the cord and realize than an "top 9" as you called him, is not worth much more than a 2nd rounder. We arent talking moving Hansen for a 4th, this is at least close

Yup. Gotta hold out for the best deal when trading this team's vets. Wait em out JB. What could go wrong?
- RealityChecker

We r on the same wave length👍

Idc what the market dictates cuz no need to panic when keeping him or hold out for a better deal comes along or in a package deal for a better deal. Its not a fire sale & Hansen is more valuable than most believe.
- Nighthawk

Well what the market dictates is much more improtant than your opinion. Hansen for a 2nd is about market value. I understand many of the homer's out there wanting more for Hansen or Tanev. Much like Hammer last year where I'd have taken the 3rd. All day, 365 days I'd take a 2nd for Hansen.

There is many better prospects to trade for than mid to late 2nd round picks.
- Nighthawk

For sure. However prospects who are further down the line are probably more highly regarded by the opposing franchise. There's also the matter of cost control (ELC) that can be better managed by a drafted player. A drafted player may also feel like a "Nuck" more so than a traded for prospect. Not all the time obviously but these are a few issues to keep in mind.

It's also about a culture change that the Nucks sorely need. Drafting your own players as opposed to taking others can help create that culture.

I see Juulsen's name mentioned a few times here. I think Benning can draft a better player than him in this year's 2nd round

TDL will be better than waiting until right before the expansion draft to move him. Thats when the real panic will set in for them as the market is no longer focused on Cup runs.

Canucks always wait for the better deal to come around, then we get stuck moving a top NHL goalie for a 1st round pick, another top NHL goalie for two project players, low ball offer on pending UFA's etc. Cut the cord and realize than an "top 9" as you called him, is not worth much more than a 2nd rounder. We arent talking moving Hansen for a 4th, this is at least close
- WhiteLie

I agree the TDL will fetch the best returns.
As for previous regimes idc about them when its ancient history lol
Differnt ppl now do different things.
Hansen fetches a good prospect projected higher than a mid to late 2nd.

44% sounds a bit more like it
- neem55

Even in the second piece, in the 50-60 range you have basically a 10% chance at Top 6F, Top 4D, and over 30% change the player plays 100 games. Those odds in exchange for Hansen who will be gone in 2018 or retained by an outrageous contract? Sign me up