Who has the NMC you are referring to there? Sutter and Hansen can be exposed for Vegas. As far as I know it's Sedins and LE for two seasons on NMC that have to be protected.
- Nuck4U

I thought Sutter was NMC until 2020, then it becomes a M-NTC.

I thought Sutter was NMC until 2020, then it becomes a M-NTC.
- boonerbuck

That sounds like LE. Check this https://www.capfriendly.com/expansion-draft lists out who has NMC this season for Vegas expansion.

I think if this was a normal year there would be little movement.

I see Miller being extended and maybe Markstrom traded or they might go with the same goalie security for the next two years.

I would honestly trade Sven over Hansen. I still think Hansen has five more good years.

I don't really know what Dman will be traded but I don't think it will be Edler Stecher Tryamkin or Hutton.

If we get CBJ second round pick this year I will be thrilled . That would mean four picks in the first 75 picks.
- VANTEL

I can see Sven scoring more than Hansen and getting even better...

He has better/ greater skills than Hansen, even though Hansen has really upped his game over the past few years.

I also think at this moment Hansen gets a bigger return while he's at his peak performance. For a playoff contender, I think the return for Hansen would be much greater.... in terms of legit prospects and picks to fill out our roster.

CNN did a story today on Trump's inappropriate hand shakes and reported Trudeau was only one to come out on top.
- Nuck4U

its a f*kg handshake, lols, what's inappropriate about it... the guy shakes hands, either you can handle it or you can't.

obviously trudeau and team prepared for the handshake with some training beforehand.

you can see Trudeau had a countermove ready by bracing himself so he didn't get manhandled. Trump probably respects him more for it now that he didn't get tossed around.

its a f*kg handshake, lols, what's inappropriate about it... the guy shakes hands, either you can handle it or you can't.

obviously trudeau and team prepared for the handshake with some training beforehand.

you can see Trudeau had a countermove ready by bracing himself so he didn't get manhandled. Trump probably respects him more for it now that he didn't get tossed around.
- kaptaan

conservative snowflake!

Doesn't sound like Hansen is too interested in waiving as per Jason Brough
- VANTEL

Would you be on board with keeping Hansen? Leadership is important. Would u rather:

1 - trade Hansen for assets
2 - expose Hansen and trade pick to LV in agreement not to select Hansen

Tough call. We could sure use more picks. But if we get a pick for Burr maybe that pick can be used to save Hansen.

I really want to start hoarding picks. But if he is indeed traded, I think we're going to miss him.

Would you be on board with keeping Hansen? Leadership is important. Would u rather:

1 - trade Hansen for assets
2 - expose Hansen and trade pick to LV in agreement not to select Hansen

Tough call. We could sure use more picks. But if we get a pick for Burr maybe that pick can be used to save Hansen.

I really want to start hoarding picks. But if he is indeed traded, I think we're going to miss him.
- storm88

Trade him. Trade Burrows. Trade a defenseman. Do not re-sign Miller. Do not extend Burrows. Wave good bye to the Sedins at the end of next season with a great deal of gratitude.

Would you be on board with keeping Hansen? Leadership is important. Would u rather:

1 - trade Hansen for assets
2 - expose Hansen and trade pick to LV in agreement not to select Hansen

Tough call. We could sure use more picks. But if we get a pick for Burr maybe that pick can be used to save Hansen.

I really want to start hoarding picks. But if he is indeed traded, I think we're going to miss him.
- storm88

I'd prefer not to hoard picks myself, all that does is add more cannon fodder and more prospects for the fanbase to overvalue, overrate and heap far too much expectation onto. It's bad enough as it is with what we have already like expecting Boeser next year to make the team (when he hasn't even signed an ELC and might want to finish college first) and play a significant role in the top 6, or Demko pushing Miller out the door and being Markstrom's backup when a) Benning probably doesn't have confidence in Markstrom to handle 60+ games as a starter, b) likely resigns Miller to a 1-year or 2-year cheap deal to act as a stop-gap while Demko gets his game together in the AHL and Markstrom tries to show that he's a viable starter or ends up traded as a career backup. Never mind Juolevi who people already expect to be able to make the team and contribute as well as a top-4 defenseman maybe even top-2 or even a 1D.

Trade him. Trade Burrows. Trade a defenseman. Do not re-sign Miller. Do not extend Burrows. Wave good bye to the Sedins at the end of next season with a great deal of gratitude.
- Marwood

If we don't trade em, he'd likely be moved next year. So, mine as well do it this year. agreed.

Losing Burr Hansen and Miller...... free's up some space. Altho Bo will replace Burr on the books.

Interesting to see what Guddy gets. He isn't worth 5 thats for sure.

Would you be on board with keeping Hansen? Leadership is important. Would u rather:

1 - trade Hansen for assets
2 - expose Hansen and trade pick to LV in agreement not to select Hansen

Tough call. We could sure use more picks. But if we get a pick for Burr maybe that pick can be used to save Hansen.

I really want to start hoarding picks. But if he is indeed traded, I think we're going to miss him.
- storm88

Trade him. It wont ever be his team, nor is this team short on leaders or mentors. They will also be no where near contending, so why hang onto him during his final prime seasons until he is worthless? Hoard picks and young players, not mentors

I'd prefer not to hoard picks myself, all that does is add more cannon fodder and more prospects for the fanbase to overvalue, overrate and heap far too much expectation onto. It's bad enough as it is with what we have already like expecting Boeser next year to make the team (when he hasn't even signed an ELC and might want to finish college first) and play a significant role in the top 6, or Demko pushing Miller out the door and being Markstrom's backup when a) Benning probably doesn't have confidence in Markstrom to handle 60+ games as a starter, b) likely resigns Miller to a 1-year or 2-year cheap deal to act as a stop-gap while Demko gets his game together in the AHL and Markstrom tries to show that he's a viable starter or ends up traded as a career backup. Never mind Juolevi who people already expect to be able to make the team and contribute as well as a top-4 defenseman maybe even top-2 or even a 1D.
- DariusKnight

Decent post.
He should be at 3 or 4 years away from the NHL. Same with Demko. Boeser, if he even makes the team next season, is not winning the Presidents Trophy for the Canucks.

If we don't trade em, he'd likely be moved next year. So, mine as well do it this year. agreed.

Losing Burr Hansen and Miller...... free's up some space. Altho Bo will replace Burr on the books.

Interesting to see what Guddy gets. He isn't worth 5 thats for sure.
- storm88

We don't really know that, yet.
New team this season and most likely injured since the beginning. I would like to get to see him play a 2nd season healthy.

Trade him. It wont ever be his team, nor is this team short on leaders or mentors. They will also be no where near contending, so why hang onto him during his final prime seasons until he is worthless? Hoard picks and young players, not mentors
- WhiteLie

Would you be on board with keeping Hansen? Leadership is important. Would u rather:

1 - trade Hansen for assets
2 - expose Hansen and trade pick to LV in agreement not to select Hansen

Tough call. We could sure use more picks. But if we get a pick for Burr maybe that pick can be used to save Hansen.

I really want to start hoarding picks. But if he is indeed traded, I think we're going to miss him.
- storm88

IMO you have to trade Hansen. He has top value right now and has a contract that is cap friendly next year. I think you have to get this done.

I think you need to trade Burrows as well. He has been scouted by MTL, get some picks and get that deal done. If you need to, bring Burrows back at a much more cap friendly 2 mill deal next year on a 1 year if you miss his "leadership".

I think you need to trade Gudbranson. He will want 5 mill a season as a top 4 pairing D man and I think you have that currently in one of Tryamkin/Stecher/Edler/Tanev.

I don't think we should go into next season with the mentality or thought process that ANY prospect is a sure lock to make the team out of camp, including Boeser. I think the franchise is still 2 years away from being competitive, and 3 or 4 years away from filling the prospect cupboard with a good amount of solid prospects.

I'd prefer not to hoard picks myself, all that does is add more cannon fodder and more prospects for the fanbase to overvalue, overrate and heap far too much expectation onto. It's bad enough as it is with what we have already like expecting Boeser next year to make the team (when he hasn't even signed an ELC and might want to finish college first) and play a significant role in the top 6, or Demko pushing Miller out the door and being Markstrom's backup when a) Benning probably doesn't have confidence in Markstrom to handle 60+ games as a starter, b) likely resigns Miller to a 1-year or 2-year cheap deal to act as a stop-gap while Demko gets his game together in the AHL and Markstrom tries to show that he's a viable starter or ends up traded as a career backup. Never mind Juolevi who people already expect to be able to make the team and contribute as well as a top-4 defenseman maybe even top-2 or even a 1D.
- DariusKnight

I get your point of overvaluing by fans, its pretty ridiculous sometimes, but it shouldnt scare the team off from trying to obtain younger talent. Acquiring picks has lasting value, whether they add them into trades or draft players who can make others available for trade. The sentimental attachment the fans and organization have on players drafted by the organization is insane, not every player draft will spend their entire careers here, save for the very special few

IMO you have to trade Hansen. He has top value right now and has a contract that is cap friendly next year. I think you have to get this done.

I think you need to trade Burrows as well. He has been scouted by MTL, get some picks and get that deal done. If you need to, bring Burrows back at a much more cap friendly 2 mill deal next year on a 1 year if you miss his "leadership".

I think you need to trade Gudbranson. He will want 5 mill a season as a top 4 pairing D man and I think you have that currently in one of Tryamkin/Stecher/Edler/Tanev.

I don't think we should go into next season with the mentality or thought process that ANY prospect is a sure lock to make the team out of camp, including Boeser. I think the franchise is still 2 years away from being competitive, and 3 or 4 years away from filling the prospect cupboard with a good amount of solid prospects.
- Codes1087

You need to trade someone at least, you are going to lose one of Hansen, Granlund or Sven in the expansion draft because you're going to need to expose at least two of them seeing as you have to protect the Sedins, LE, Bo, Sutter for certain and you're going to want to protect Edler, Tanev, and Hutton.

I personally would trade Hansen myself, but the issue is always going to be the hole it leaves in the lineup. We are already running with a mostly replacement-level/AHL-calibre bottom 6 and trading Burrows and/or Hansen for picks and prospects is really going to make it hard on Utica and our ECHL franchise for having all their players called up.

IMO you have to trade Hansen. He has top value right now and has a contract that is cap friendly next year. I think you have to get this done.

I think you need to trade Burrows as well. He has been scouted by MTL, get some picks and get that deal done. If you need to, bring Burrows back at a much more cap friendly 2 mill deal next year on a 1 year if you miss his "leadership".

I think you need to trade Gudbranson. He will want 5 mill a season as a top 4 pairing D man and I think you have that currently in one of Tryamkin/Stecher/Edler/Tanev.

I don't think we should go into next season with the mentality or thought process that ANY prospect is a sure lock to make the team out of camp, including Boeser. I think the franchise is still 2 years away from being competitive, and 3 or 4 years away from filling the prospect cupboard with a good amount of solid prospects.
- Codes1087

I agree with your points but I will say we dont need to trade Gudbranson, even if he wants $5m. For me it really comes down to term with him. They need to play hard with him, get him on a 1-2 year deal and see if these guys you listed can outperform him or if he can earn his money/place

IMO you have to trade Hansen. He has top value right now and has a contract that is cap friendly next year. I think you have to get this done.

I think you need to trade Burrows as well. He has been scouted by MTL, get some picks and get that deal done. If you need to, bring Burrows back at a much more cap friendly 2 mill deal next year on a 1 year if you miss his "leadership".

I think you need to trade Gudbranson. He will want 5 mill a season as a top 4 pairing D man and I think you have that currently in one of Tryamkin/Stecher/Edler/Tanev.

I don't think we should go into next season with the mentality or thought process that ANY prospect is a sure lock to make the team out of camp, including Boeser. I think the franchise is still 2 years away from being competitive, and 3 or 4 years away from filling the prospect cupboard with a good amount of solid prospects.
- Codes1087

I'm surprised you didn't wish everyone a Happy Valentines Day.

I get your point of overvaluing by fans, its pretty ridiculous sometimes, but it shouldnt scare the team off from trying to obtain younger talent. Acquiring picks has lasting value, whether they add them into trades or draft players who can make others available for trade. The sentimental attachment the fans and organization have on players drafted by the organization is insane, not every player draft will spend their entire careers here, save for the very special few
- WhiteLie

The problem I have with this thinking is that getting rid of players when their at their peak or when they're not useful to the team anymore is that it makes it less likely that players drafted will want to stay once their ELCs run out. You run the risk of having to rebuild every 3-4 years and never having a core that'll stay together long enough to make a run. I do agree that we have kept a few players (Burrows, Edler) for too long, but the problem always has been who do we replace them with. The idea behind letting someone go is that you are either upgrading in that slot or at least getting someone younger and with more upside and that's not always the case.

The reason I have a problem with hoarding picks is that you leave holes in the lineup and now you have to fill them with replacement level talent (in the form of a Chaput or Megna or Gaunce) or AHL-only calibre talent (like a Skille, etc) or else you throw a prospect into the lineup that might not be ready, play them maybe 7-10 minutes a night and kill any confidence they might have. It's not a way to run a franchise, that's what the Oilers did for years and what Toronto is doing now, the only difference is that Toronto obstensibly has better management and a plan (which is yet to be determined).

I get your point of overvaluing by fans, its pretty ridiculous sometimes, but it shouldnt scare the team off from trying to obtain younger talent. Acquiring picks has lasting value, whether they add them into trades or draft players who can make others available for trade. The sentimental attachment the fans and organization have on players drafted by the organization is insane, not every player draft will spend their entire careers here, save for the very special few
- WhiteLie

It is the prudent move to trade at least Hansen and Sbisa becuauee of Vegas expansion. Linden alluded to making moves because of that. Trying to protect both by giving draft picks to Vegas instead of getting good picks for them now is counter productive to rebuild. Burr is extra icing if Nucks want more picks over mentor development. Miller hard to say if he can be moved or will accept.

In the end with this draft quality and Vegas expansion it's not about hoarding picks or moving on. It's just the business of asset management.

The problem I have with this thinking is that getting rid of players when their at their peak or when they're not useful to the team anymore is that it makes it less likely that players drafted will want to stay once their ELCs run out. You run the risk of having to rebuild every 3-4 years and never having a core that'll stay together long enough to make a run. I do agree that we have kept a few players (Burrows, Edler) for too long, but the problem always has been who do we replace them with. The idea behind letting someone go is that you are either upgrading in that slot or at least getting someone younger and with more upside and that's not always the case.

The reason I have a problem with hoarding picks is that you leave holes in the lineup and now you have to fill them with replacement level talent (in the form of a Chaput or Megna or Gaunce) or AHL-only calibre talent (like a Skille, etc) or else you throw a prospect into the lineup that might not be ready, play them maybe 7-10 minutes a night and kill any confidence they might have. It's not a way to run a franchise, that's what the Oilers did for years and what Toronto is doing now, the only difference is that Toronto obstensibly has better management and a plan (which is yet to be determined).
- DariusKnight

Agreed on your points about the holes in the lineup and its effect on both development and the AHL roster. I do think Toronto did a decent job getting slightly above replacement level players to sign there in order to keep the prospects in the AHL. Signing guys like Parenteau, Winnick, etc. helped keep Nylander/Brown in the minors and send back Marner to Jr's, unfortunately the Canucks went with Chaput, Megna and Skille (though I like that Chaput is only 24)

You need to trade someone at least, you are going to lose one of Hansen, Granlund or Sven in the expansion draft because you're going to need to expose at least two of them seeing as you have to protect the Sedins, LE, Bo, Sutter for certain and you're going to want to protect Edler, Tanev, and Hutton.

I personally would trade Hansen myself, but the issue is always going to be the hole it leaves in the lineup. We are already running with a mostly replacement-level/AHL-calibre bottom 6 and trading Burrows and/or Hansen for picks and prospects is really going to make it hard on Utica and our ECHL franchise for having all their players called up.
- DariusKnight

Maybe lose Hansen to Vegas....but if JB exposes pizza man then I'd say Hansen is safe.

Trade him. Trade Burrows. Trade a defenseman. Do not re-sign Miller. Do not extend Burrows. Wave good bye to the Sedins at the end of next season with a great deal of gratitude.
- Marwood

JB and team gave it a honest shot (trying to be cup competitive while the twins were still under contract) but it didn't work out. So they now have to change gears. No reason to delay it any longer.

Your post is an excellent starting point in creating a new identity for this team.

I'm surprised you didn't wish everyone a Happy Valentines Day.
- Marwood

I am working today, unless I get the day off as stat, I don't recognize this.

Maybe lose Hansen to Vegas....but if JB exposes pizza man then I'd say Hansen is safe.
- Bullfrog77

If no trades are made to maximize asset management then Sbisa would have to be exposed. Unless you are advocating protecting him over Guddy and Tanev on the 7/3 set up?

Only other way to keep the four D is do the 4/4 set up which would mean having to expose all of Sutter, Hansen, Sven and Granlund. With only Sedins, LE because of NMC and Bo as best player having only slots. This is a bad scenario for Nucks.


On having both Sbisa and Hansen up for grabs hard to say who Vegas will want. But you are probably right Sbisa will fit them better or be easier to flip in trade in off season. Either way it's a loss and a minus on getting a return on valued asset.