Playoffs are off the table.
- thundachunk

They have been since we saw the Feb schedule.

def outclassed in pitts and st louis. The play in StL was good though, we were still in it.

regardless, if we miss playoffs again We'd have to assume the HC will get canned. Not many survive back to back missing of playoffs

that should be the next poll, does the HC get canned this off season
- SMBDragon

I don't think he will...atleast in the off-season. I think he starts the year as coach....maybe canned around Christmas.

def outclassed in pitts and st louis. The play in StL was good though, we were still in it.

regardless, if we miss playoffs again We'd have to assume the HC will get canned. Not many survive back to back missing of playoffs

that should be the next poll, does the HC get canned this off season
- SMBDragon

A lot will depend on who's available in the summer. They may choose to go with WD if there's no one else available who'd be willing to coach a rebuilding team and put up with the fickle fanbase and rabble rousing media. Hitchcock won't come here, not when he was planning on retiring at the end of the season, not when it's going to take 4-5 years before the team is ready to take a shot at making the playoffs and doing some damage.

I also feel like Green's stock has dropped considerably the past couple of years. He didn't get hired last time around and I think with how horrible his Utica teams have been that probably NHL GMs aren't going to be willing to put their future in his hands.

def outclassed in pitts and st louis. The play in StL was good though, we were still in it.

regardless, if we miss playoffs again We'd have to assume the HC will get canned. Not many survive back to back missing of playoffs

that should be the next poll, does the HC get canned this off season
- SMBDragon

HMmmm HC?

I don't think he will...atleast in the off-season. I think he starts the year as coach....maybe canned around Christmas.
- Bullfrog77

I sure hope not

HMmmm HC?
- pker2theend

head coach

There is absolutely no point firing the coach. When the team is fully healthy they are serviceable and play a decent game. They are not gonna win against the upper echelon teams consistently, the roster just isnt deep enough. The team just needs to trade some ufas or to be in 1 year and stock up on some draft guesses. Trade Hansen, Burrows.... and if.. they can get a young fwd for Hutton those would be some good returns

A lot will depend on who's available in the summer. They may choose to go with WD if there's no one else available who'd be willing to coach a rebuilding team and put up with the fickle fanbase and rabble rousing media. Hitchcock won't come here, not when he was planning on retiring at the end of the season, not when it's going to take 4-5 years before the team is ready to take a shot at making the playoffs and doing some damage.

I also feel like Green's stock has dropped considerably the past couple of years. He didn't get hired last time around and I think with how horrible his Utica teams have been that probably NHL GMs aren't going to be willing to put their future in his hands.
- DariusKnight

I wouldnt bring in hitchcock as HC anyways, Id have him as consultant or coaching management role. THat keeps him away from players more and a part time gig.

Not sure how I feel about green, not enough info essentially. He sounds great at times but his team hasnt been great.

Gallant has a decent record but I dont him well enough to know his deficiencies either. Could be replacement for either willie or doug if theyre canned. There may be more candidates come summer as well.

There is absolutely no point firing the coach. When the team is fully healthy they are serviceable and play a decent game. They are not gonna win against the upper echelon teams consistently, the roster just isnt deep enough. The team just needs to trade some ufas or to be in 1 year and stock up on some draft guesses. Trade Hansen, Burrows.... and if.. they can get a young fwd for Hutton those would be some good returns
- nelson911

There is absolutely no point firing the coach. When the team is fully healthy they are serviceable and play a decent game. They are not gonna win against the upper echelon teams consistently, the roster just isnt deep enougn. The team just needs to trade some ufas or to be in 1 year and stock up on some draft guesses. Trade Hansen, Burrows.... and if.. they can get a young fwd for Hutton those would be some good returns
- nelson911

the point is to get a BETTER coach, which wont be hard with how bad willie has been

the point is to get a BETTER coach, which wont be hard with how bad willie has been
- SMBDragon

Yeah but the Sedins think he's " real good " which means he stays....cause we can't rock the good ship Sedin

the point is to get a BETTER coach, which wont be hard with how bad willie has been
- SMBDragon

Well its true nobody should care about how the Aquilinis spend their money but you shouldnt just keep switching up the coaching systems on these young players. I figure if Julien was still available go for it... I dunno maybe Gallant...

A lot will depend on who's available in the summer. They may choose to go with WD if there's no one else available who'd be willing to coach a rebuilding team and put up with the fickle fanbase and rabble rousing media. Hitchcock won't come here, not when he was planning on retiring at the end of the season, not when it's going to take 4-5 years before the team is ready to take a shot at making the playoffs and doing some damage.

I also feel like Green's stock has dropped considerably the past couple of years. He didn't get hired last time around and I think with how horrible his Utica teams have been that probably NHL GMs aren't going to be willing to put their future in his hands.
- DariusKnight

That all may well happen. Coaching is a bit of an issue depending on what the goals are of the club. Team realities dictate certain needs. But it's going to be an issue for the Nucks given the team situation. Like Green isn't the next AV to bring this team up with him. Probably cause he hasn't had the new core with him.

The choices look grim. Unless they go with an associate or assistant who is an up and comer looking for a break on getting the HC. I don't know. That's what needs to be identified like you said. Who's a better fit then WD not necessarily who's generally a better coach.

Yeah but the Sedins think he's " real good " which means he stays....cause we can't rock the good ship Sedin
- Bullfrog77

did they say that? I missed it.
But they say that about everyone they've had. Who knows what their real opinion is

Well its true nobody should care about how the Aquilinis spend their money but you shouldnt just keep switching up the coaching systems on these young players. I figure if Julien was still available go for it... I dunno maybe Gallant...
- nelson911

You are discounting the role of coaching. Maybe because Nucks played without Sven, Bo and Sutter against Pens. It's like how pathetic Pens would have looked playing without Crosby and Malkin.

But Nucks are in most games. They are one goal games that they wind up not scoring enough. Deployments and in game decions can effect the outcome of those close games.

That all may well happen. Coaching is a bit of an issue depending on what the goals are of the club. Team realities dictate certain needs. But it's going to be an issue for the Nucks given the team situation. Like Green isn't the next AV to bring this team up with him. Probably cause he hasn't had the new core with him.

The choices look grim. Unless they go with an associate or assistant who is an up and comer looking for a break on getting the HC. I don't know. That's what needs to be identified like you said. Who's a better fit then WD not necessarily who's generally a better coach.
- Nuck4U

I was thinking the same thing. If the goals of the club arent clear, why would any coach volunteer to come here and tarnish their careers? I look at Torts, who won a cup in Tampa, had some very successful Rangers teams, and now has Columbus near the top of the league, but his career was nearly over after one really lousy season in Vancouver. Why risk doing that when the team hasn't really decided if they want to compete or rebuild? WD said it was a challenge last year developing guys and trying to win at the same time

At this point, the team might be outclassed in games, but the players havent quit. Tonight was entertaining and this whole road trip (minus Pitt) they managed to keep the games close with decent effort. If they are rebuilding and players are still going hard, then maybe a coach signs up for the long haul, but really they are still on the downswing and its usually better to make those changes when they benefit the longterm future of the club on the upswing

You are discounting the role of coaching. Maybe because Nucks played without Sven, Bo and Sutter against Pens. It's like how pathetic Pens would have looked playing without Crosby and Malkin.

But Nucks are in most games. They are one goal games that they wind up not scoring enough. Deployments and in game decions can effect the outcome of those close games.
- Nuck4U

I don't know what you're talking about

That all may well happen. Coaching is a bit of an issue depending on what the goals are of the club. Team realities dictate certain needs. But it's going to be an issue for the Nucks given the team situation. Like Green isn't the next AV to bring this team up with him. Probably cause he hasn't had the new core with him.

The choices look grim. Unless they go with an associate or assistant who is an up and comer looking for a break on getting the HC. I don't know. That's what needs to be identified like you said. Who's a better fit then WD not necessarily who's generally a better coach.
- Nuck4U

now might be the perfect time. Give someone else the last what is it 25 games or so to see what they can do before committing to a longer contract.

You are discounting the role of coaching. Maybe because Nucks played without Sven, Bo and Sutter against Pens. It's like how pathetic Pens would have looked playing without Crosby and Malkin.

But Nucks are in most games. They are one goal games that they wind up not scoring enough. Deployments and in game decions can effect the outcome of those close games.
- Nuck4U

exactly. THats a part of the game and many do not give it enough credence

the point is to get a BETTER coach, which wont be hard with how bad willie has been
- SMBDragon

It may come down to who's a better fit for the team. Not just better coach. Not an easy find.

Though we'll get more of this under WD. Like mind numbing in game adjustments are so rare. Example, the six man unit why does it have to remain as pracisted. When it's clear certain players are playing better to be on it. Or even the choice not to have Bo or Granlund on it as two of the best shooters. Saw same results in Boston game as today's. No lesson learned. Plus Sutter is out there the whole time when he can't shoot.

head coach
- SMBDragon

Ahhh

I don't know what you're talking about
- nelson911

Really? Are you just saying that or being stubborn? So you don't think coaching decisions effect the the play or results of games?

As for your other point. You should know depth effects all teams. If you take out top guys who can score they will lose. No Crosby or Malkin for example makes the Pens ordinary. Same with Nucks missing their top guys for scoring. They aren't named Sedin anymore. So maybe you didn't know that.

As for making a few trades of depth players for prospects won't effect the on ice fortunes of the team now or how it's coached.

I don't know what you're talking about
- nelson911

We never do either

Really? Are you just saying that or being stubborn? So you don't think coaching decisions effect the the play or results of games?

As for your other point. You should know depth effects all teams. If you take out top guys they will lose. No Crosby or Malkin for example makes the Pens ordinary. Same with Nucks missing their top guys. They aren't named Sedin anymore. So maybe you didn't know that.

As for making a few trades of depth players for prospects won't effect the on ice fortunes of the team now or how it's coached.
- Nuck4U

Whoa whoa whoa you just need to calm down and stop with the teaching lesson. I think you're assuming a lot and understanding little of me. Im an ice pak holder and consistent watcher of the canucks so just store the condescending comments away.

I should know depth affects all teams? Of course it does... some teams have more than others and can compensate. When the canucks are injured it really hurts them.

Making trades to change the on ice fortunes? You have no concept of what I was talking about, the canucks are not some team on the brink of breaking out, they can trade their soon to be gone players and get some assets for once and get younger and cheaper still.

The role of coaching is big, whats to say some coach will come in and give you exactly what you want. Willie doesn't recognize Horvat's effectiveness at times and that isnt the greatest. Prolly has to do with who gets paid more as usual. He is doing fine with the roster he has.

We never do either
- VANTEL

Getting a dig in for an outsider....bad form old man.... said in an upper class Enlish accent for effect

By the way how do you see the below list? Ranking most dangerous goal scorers on Nucks top 9 right now.

Bo
Sutter
Granlund
Sven
Hansen
Hank
LE
Danny
Burrows