Tootoo likely not being one, but there are a lot of players in the league that make less than Dorsett and can provide that same fire and willingness to be punched in the face.

Few of them have had as effective of seasons as Dorsett did in the past but that doesn't mean that Dorsett will ever play as well as he did in Clb.

I really hope Benning spends a few later round picks on some players with size who love to hit.
- belcherbd

I do too. Tree is probably already the snarliest guy, EG second and JB brought both of them in.

Zac Rinaldo, 850k UFA this offseason.
Scottie upshall 900k same
chris thorburn 1.2 mil same

shouldn't have to trade for these types of guys, nor pay the m 2.6mil.

yes, that's what I thought when some claimed Tanev was the Nux best d man...
- kaptaan

When it comes down to Tanev or Edler, it's not like there are a lot of options. I like Edler but its been pretty clear he is what he is and is very dependent upon being surrounded by talent to play well.

Definition of homer trade aspirations, with the exception of Sbisa who I think might actually fetch more than a 3rd given his progression over the past two seasons and age. He's like Micheal Stone(who just went for a 3rd) except trending up instead of down. Not too sure, curious what others think of his value. I'd rather they hung onto him and traded the older players (tanev or Edler)
- neem55

I understand your position, but you do know that Tanev is a whopping 41 days older than Sbisa, so that argument doesn't hold a lot of water.

When it comes down to Tanev or Edler, it's not like there are a lot of options. I like Edler but its been pretty clear he is what he is and is very dependent upon being surrounded by talent to play well.
- belcherbd

It also has to come down to who is going to be here in 5 years when the team is actually competitive again. It takes time to develop guys, we need to get the picks into development to turn the ship. Might be good to keep Edler to play out the year with Stecher, trade Tanev. But sooner or later both should get traded for picks while they still have value. Could argue that Sbisa's value has never been higher, so trade him. As long as guys in the older age range are being replaced at the TDL with picks or prospects, I will be happy. I don't think we need to unload everything, but losing guys with value like Hansen or Sbisa for nothing at the expansion for nothing is just going to be bad management on JB's part. There are still teams trying to win this year, regardless of the e-draft. Need to look to make deals with them.

Tanev for a 1st. Straightup, no salary exchange beyond this season. Do you take it? why or why not.
- neem55

Tanev is worth much much more than a single 1st

my posts are so obviously superior to others, that i should just get a hundred pluses on Google
- onesmallleap

The others are just idiots for not seeing it

Jordan Nolan 950k
ferland 825k
Reaves 1.25m
tootoo 750k
Maroon 1.5m

That's looking at about ten teams, many don't really have tough guys these days.
- neem55

No thanks to Tootoo. Maroon or Reaves might be alright. Ferland can be more of a liability than i would like.
I still prefer Dorsett and according to Horvat he was a great help to him in his first 2 seasons. Sometimes a player's value goes beyond what we see of them on the ice.

Thanks for posting the options.

It also has to come down to who is going to be here in 5 years when the team is actually competitive again. It takes time to develop guys, we need to get the picks into development to turn the ship. Might be good to keep Edler to play out the year with Stecher, trade Tanev. But sooner or later both should get traded for picks while they still have value. Could argue that Sbisa's value has never been higher, so trade him. As long as guys in the older age range are being replaced at the TDL with picks or prospects, I will be happy. I don't think we need to unload everything, but losing guys with value like Hansen or Sbisa for nothing at the expansion for nothing is just going to be bad management on JB's part. There are still teams trying to win this year, regardless of the e-draft. Need to look to make deals with them.
- neem55

We are not going to get anything of significance at the TDL. Just not going to happen.

I understand your position, but you do know that Tanev is a whopping 41 days older than Sbisa, so that argument doesn't hold a lot of water.
- Reubenkincade

was just looking at that, it's fair to say that both he and Tanev may not be great in 5 years. I just see Tanev's value as being very high. I hate that Canucks always seem to trade guys when they are low value, I'd love to see a 1st rounder come back to us for once.

He ignores it already
- Bullfrog77

I like Dorsett's fire and willingness, more importantly he is a pretty good hockey player when he doesn't get baited .

That said, his presence does not deter other teams from slapping this team around or make other teams worry about being hit Tryamkin has helped and Gudbranson should once he is extended..... but this team desperately needs someone who can make other teams worry about who is jumping over the boards.
- belcherbd

I do too. Tree is probably already the snarliest guy, EG second and JB brought both of them in.

Zac Rinaldo, 850k UFA this offseason.
Scottie upshall 900k same
chris thorburn 1.2 mil same

shouldn't have to trade for these types of guys, nor pay the m 2.6mil.
- neem55

yes, that's what I thought when some claimed Tanev was the Nux best d man...
- kaptaan

I know you don't like him....obviously that return is absurd. I realize you are trying to make a point.

Tootoo likely not being one, but there are a lot of players in the league that make less than Dorsett and can provide that same fire and willingness to be punched in the face.

Few of them have had as effective of seasons as Dorsett did in the past but that doesn't mean that Dorsett will ever play as well as he did in Clb.

I really hope Benning spends a few later round picks on some players with size who love to hit.
- belcherbd

Is he overpaid? Maybe...I don't think so. He was a UFA not an RFA. Regardless, his contract doesn't mean he sucks. Folks need to separate the player from the contract.

Sounds like Miller has supplied his 5 team list.
3 Cali teams mentioned to no ones surprise.

Not a chance. If you're dealing Tanev you're dealing him for a young forward with a ton of upside to a team that is desperate for D..... ie Toronto
- Mungo

I'd take Torontos first, they are bound to blow it and miss the playoffs. leaving us with two top 15 picks

Sounds like Miller has supplied his 5 team list.
3 Cali teams mentioned to no ones surprise.
- belcherbd

source?

We are not going to get anything of significance at the TDL. Just not going to happen.
- belcherbd

was just looking at that, it's fair to say that both he and Tanev may not be great in 5 years. I just see Tanev's value as being very high. I hate that Canucks always seem to trade guys when they are low value, I'd love to see a 1st rounder come back to us for once.
- neem55

You mean so we can pick twice in 1st round like we did in 2013 & 2014?

2013- Horvat & Shinkaruk
2014-Virtanen & McCann

We are not going to get anything of significance at the TDL. Just not going to happen.
- belcherbd

Arizona just dealt Stone for A 3RD today. Sbisa for a 3rd seems comparable. Thoughts?

edit: also, http://www.tsn.ca/countdo...rketable-canucks-1.676979

You mean so we can pick twice in 1st round like we did in 2013 & 2014?

2013- Horvat & Shinkaruk
2014-Virtanen & McCann
- Reubenkincade

Fair point. I'd still like to see it again.

Is he overpaid? Maybe...I don't think so. He was a UFA not an RFA. Regardless, his contract doesn't mean he sucks. Folks need to separate the player from the contract.
- CanuckDon

He was signed to an extension 3-4 months ? Before free agency so it's not like the argument could be made that being a UFA raised his value.

It's one thing to say seperate the co tract from the player when talking about Dorsett but we hear all the time about Eriksson, Sedins, Burrows etc. Are not eating their contracts. It's more a criticism of the guy who signed those contracts not necessarily the player themselves.

source?
- neem55

I read it on HF and someone said they got it from TSN. I didn't listen to the segment though.

Tootoo likely not being one, but there are a lot of players in the league that make less than Dorsett and can provide that same fire and willingness to be punched in the face.

Few of them have had as effective of seasons as Dorsett did in the past but that doesn't mean that Dorsett will ever play as well as he did in Clb.

I really hope Benning spends a few later round picks on some players with size who love to hit.
- belcherbd

Dorset had his best season point wise to date playing with Bo.

Fair point. I'd still like to see it again.
- neem55

Yes me too. I think Tanev is the odd man out as I believe Gudbrandson fills his spot as the defensive defenseman. Sbisa also provides a bit of offense as well.
If this happens between now and draft we either get a good young forward or at least a good pick.