He's 22...what other young defensemen is in their "core"
- Stripes77

http://www.tsn.ca/talent/...he-leafs-defence-1.676421

He could easily say I don't want to talk contract right now and just Drury us

They better have a timetable if he doesn't sign it by then you trade him
- GERBE!!!75PTS

That's a radically different sentiment than "trade him, he doesn't want to be here"

That's because he was dreadful and didn't score his first 12 because of his ribs. Since then in the 36 games his goals and shooting % has never been close to as high.
- sbroads24

Didn't Stafford have like 3 or 4 hat tricks that year?

He was super streaky that entire season if I remember correctly

Like 6 games without a goal and then 5 goals in 2 games another 3 games without a goal then 3 goals in 4 games and so on

What does that have to do with anything. The point is, he's doing. How he's doing it is completely irrelevant when looking at seasonal offensive totals. Like you have with Staff Infection.
- TheSabresTaco

Ok, I mean I'm all for keeping him if a good defenseman falls into our lap. That's fine. But if I'm Murray I'm trading Kane over Reinhart or Nylander if that's the options.

Kane is going to be a very expensive risk pretty soon.

The bolded is pretty much what I was getting at

If he is gone my guess would be Jones is the starter next year and that saves me a lot of Sundays...
- Stripes77

Pretty much my plan if that happens too but I'm pretty sure they're just going to get Nick Foles ew
They just have to make sure they get one of those QB next year Scouts are saying it's going to be like the Andrew Luck draft

Didn't Stafford have like 3 or 4 hat tricks that year?

He was super streaky that entire season if I remember correctly

Like 6 games without a goal and then 5 goals in 2 games another 3 games without a goal then 3 goals in 4 games and so on
- Stripes77

I think he had 4 if I remember.

http://www.tsn.ca/talent/rielly-and-the-future-of-the-leafs-defence-1.676421
- GERBE!!!75PTS

That doesn't say anything that he isn't apart of their core though.

First year coach and a 22 year old blue liner who has played on terrible Leaf teams. Kinda sound like someone we know here.

That's a radically different sentiment than "trade him, he doesn't want to be here"
- TheSabresTaco

Before this he was worth nothing TBH we all can agree on that ..

I'm hoping to Murray puts him out there on the trade deadline day maybe a team offers ous something that we can't refuse "hoping"

Ok, I mean I'm all for keeping him if a good defenseman falls into our lap. That's fine. But if I'm Murray I'm trading Kane over Reinhart or Nylander if that's the options.

Kane is going to be a very expensive risk pretty soon.
- sbroads24

Gun to Murray's head, someone says trade one of the 3. Yes, Murray trades Kane. In my opinion, trading Kane does not help this team. There are 100 avenues of acquiring a #2 (no, #1's are virtually untouchable), and I believe it's completely reasonable to think we can grab one without giving up ROR, Eichel, Reinhart, Kane and Okposo.

It's obvious Murray thinks very highly of Kane on the ice. Kid keeps his nose clean and I'm thinking Murray doesn't even consider the trade without someone overpaying.

One more thing about Kane, if we keep him for the remainder of his contract, I will not pay him 5mil+ if he wants to come back.


Trade him for the better

Ok, I mean I'm all for keeping him if a good defenseman falls into our lap. That's fine. But if I'm Murray I'm trading Kane over Reinhart or Nylander if that's the options.

Kane is going to be a very expensive risk pretty soon.
- sbroads24

Don't you think other teams know that as well? Which means his value still wouldn't be high, so the probability of him netting that return is slim.

One more thing about Kane, if we keep him for the remainder of his contract, I will not pay him 5mil+ if he wants to come back.


Trade him for the better
- Acup2buff

5m is not bad I think he's going to be looking 6.5-7m

Gun to Murray's head, someone says trade one of the 3. Yes, Murray trades Kane. In my opinion, trading Kane does not help this team. There are 100 avenues of acquiring a #2 (no, #1's are virtually untouchable), and I believe it's completely reasonable to think we can grab one without giving up ROR, Eichel, Reinhart, Kane and Okposo.

It's obvious Murray thinks very highly of Kane on the ice. Kid keeps his nose clean and I'm thinking Murray doesn't even consider the trade without someone overpaying.
- TheSabresTaco

My personal opinion is that they won't invest another 6+ million in the wing position with guys like Nylander, Bailey etc waiting to play some of those spots.

I think he trades that and invests that $$ into the defense

One more thing about Kane, if we keep him for the remainder of his contract, I will not pay him 5mil+ if he wants to come back.


Trade him for the better
- Acup2buff

well, good for you that you won't have to, since he gets paid by Pegula.

Not to mention, I highly doubt Kane just woke up and decided he's going to go on a tear. It's partly puck luck.

He's playing amazing. So did Drew Stafford in 2010.
- sbroads24

You really just typed that

Move EK9 now. His stock has never been higher since joining this organization. He's played well enough that he could walk after next season

I wonder what kind of players/assets if you package EK9 and Kulikov. Maybe a solid defensemen from a California?
- Acup2buff

Seriously? trade Evander Kane? Do you watch N.H.L. hockey at all? If you take year over year which is dec 3 2016 - dec 3 2017, his goal production projects into the 50 - 60 goal range. His value is far more than a hockey trade of a lw for a top pairing d-man.

Is he an elite winger? You bet your sweet onions he his. He's up there with McDavid, Duchene, Landeskog, Mattews and the rest of the elite in the N.H.L., stop looking at his skin, if this was a white, top echelon quaterback taking the Bills to the playoffs n beyond (that committed the same crime)you and the rest of the puritans would be more forgiving.

Even though he's a professional athelete he's still a growing, maturing human being that doesn't get a special pass on growth from mother nature because he's a pro. How many 23 yr olds do you know who doesn't make bad decisions?

His off ice behavior has improved, if it were you wouldn't you want a chance to prove yourself? Kane has done a fine job behaving and a fine job playing hockey.

I get tired of fans that are swayed by craphole media coverage saying trade Kane instead of givining it a little thought and seeing he's an intregal part of this team. His 5v5 speaks loud as does other areas of his play like skating, checking , passing and being in the dirt areas to score goals.

You do not trade a player of Kanes pedigree straight up for a 1st pairing D-man, be patient we have other assets that can fill the defensive holes, getting a pure 200 foot game player that uses all his skills to be amongst the elite. As stated before 1) like t.m. it'll have to be a trade that forces us to bite, 2) A body bashing scoring winger of his size, speed are not easily replaced, adequate D-man are a dime a dozen.

Exercsize patience and seaon in and out don't be so hasty to abandon ship.

I think he had 4 if I remember.
- sbroads24

So in 4 games he scored 12 goals

In the other 60 he scored 19 which is a 25 goal pace per 82 games

I get what your saying but Kane isn't exactly on a Stafford like streak since he has been scoring like this for 3 months now.

Again be cautious with him but he has really seemed to be taking smarter shots and sure he is getting some puck luck which he wasn't getting in his first 12 games.

3 months in a hockey season is a lot of hockey.

Gun to Murray's head, someone says trade one of the 3. Yes, Murray trades Kane. In my opinion, trading Kane does not help this team. There are 100 avenues of acquiring a #2 (no, #1's are virtually untouchable), and I believe it's completely reasonable to think we can grab one without giving up ROR, Eichel, Reinhart, Kane and Okposo.

It's obvious Murray thinks very highly of Kane on the ice. Kid keeps his nose clean and I'm thinking Murray doesn't even consider the trade without someone overpaying.
- TheSabresTaco

It'll be interesting to see what happens after April. He's got to keep his nose clean right now or the charges from the summer don't get dropped.

My personal opinion is that they won't invest another 6+ million in the wing position with guys like Nylander, Bailey etc waiting to play some of those spots.

I think he trades that and invests that $$ into the defense
- sbroads24

Louder for the people in the back

One more thing about Kane, if we keep him for the remainder of his contract, I will not pay him 5mil+ if he wants to come back.


Trade him for the better
- Acup2buff

Psst...

He is already making $5.25 million per

He isn't taking a pay cut

Seriously? trade Evander Kane? Do you watch N.H.L. hockey at all? If you take year over year which is dec 3 2016 - dec 3 2017, his goal production projects into the 50 - 60 goal range. His value is far more than a hockey trade of a lw for a top pairing d-man.

His off ice behavior has improved, if it were you wouldn't you want a chance to prove yourself? Kane has done a fine job behaving and a fine job playing hockey.

I get tired of fans that are swayed by craphole media coverage saying trade Kane instead of givining it a little thoughtand seeing he's an intregal part of this team. His 5v5 speaks loud as does other areas of his play like skating, checking , passing and being in the dirt areas to score goals.
- MLew65

#FAKENEWS

You really just typed that
- Irish 14

I knew I wasn't the only one.

Seriously? trade Evander Kane? Do you watch N.H.L. hockey at all? If you take year over year which is dec 3 2016 - dec 3 2017, his goal production projects into the 50 - 60 goal range. His value is far more than a hockey trade of a lw for a top pairing d-man.

His off ice behavior has improved, if it were you wouldn't you want a chance to prove yourself? Kane has done a fine job behaving and a fine job playing hockey.

I get tired of fans that are swayed by craphole media coverage saying trade Kane instead of givining it a little thoughtand seeing he's an intregal part of this team. His 5v5 speaks loud as does other areas of his play like skating, checking , passing and being in the dirt areas to score goals.
- MLew65

Boom

Psst...

He is already making $5.25 million per

He isn't taking a pay cut
- Stripes77

Exactly my point. Trade him

I knew I wasn't the only one.
- TheSabresTaco

To be fair, you keep comparing Kane to Taylor Hall who's undoubtedly better