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Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Feb 22 @ 4:57 PM ET
I'm not a lawyer but it doesnt specify what season applies, just says calendar year of signing the contract. That is the entirety of the clause with no supplemental notes so I dont think you can assume that it means for the following season
- WhiteLie


Capfriendly

What is an Entry Level Slide?
If a player who is signed to an entry-level contract and is 18 or 19 years of age (as of September 15 of the signing year), does not play in a minimum of 10 NHL games (including both regular season and playoffs; AHL games do not count), their contract is considered to ‘slide’, or extend, by one year. For example, if a player signed an ELC for three seasons from 2015-16 to 2017-2018, and their contract slides, their contract is now effective from 2016-17 to 2018-19. An exception to this rule is that if the player is 19 on September 15 of the first year of their contract, and turns 20 between September 16 and December 31, their contract does not slide.

February 25th is past December 31 of his signing year eg NHL season.
There is no CALENDAR year reference when the NHL season is fiscally Sept 15 to Sept 14th not like our own personal calendar year for tax returns is Jan 1-Dec 31. This same rule applied to our son who was 6 in November & we could slide him 1 year later into Grade 1.
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Feb 22 @ 5:04 PM ET
Incorrect. Feb 25 is after Sept 15 for this season.
U r referring to his next season for an ELC.
Its date of birth at start of season eg training camp not mid season.

- Nighthawk


Try this article it specifically talks about Boeser and Gaudette situation.

http://canucksarmy.com/20...-boeser-before-season-end
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Feb 22 @ 5:07 PM ET
Definitely, esp if it entices him to sign now, rather than go back to NCAA for another year.
- Retinalz


If he has nothing left to learn from NCAA, he does not need enticement. It didn't take Vesey or Demko or Gaudreau or Toews or Oshie very long to realize that they were ready to make the next step.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Feb 22 @ 5:08 PM ET
If we were by some miracle in a wild card spot would your opinion on him being brought in towards the end of the season change at all?
- NorthNuck


no it wouldn't. If we get into a wild card spot, I know we won't win a cup, so that doesn't change. The kid has been battling an injury and is still recovering from wrist surgery, I have no desire to do anything to jeopardize his development.
WhiteLie
Referee
Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Feb 22 @ 5:08 PM ET
Capfriendly

What is an Entry Level Slide?
If a player who is signed to an entry-level contract and is 18 or 19 years of age (as of September 15 of the signing year), does not play in a minimum of 10 NHL games (including both regular season and playoffs; AHL games do not count), their contract is considered to ‘slide’, or extend, by one year. For example, if a player signed an ELC for three seasons from 2015-16 to 2017-2018, and their contract slides, their contract is now effective from 2016-17 to 2018-19. An exception to this rule is that if the player is 19 on September 15 of the first year of their contract, and turns 20 between September 16 and December 31, their contract does not slide.

February 25th is past December 31 of his signing year eg NHL season.
There is no CALENDAR year reference when the NHL season is fiscally Sept 15 to Sept 14th not like our own personal calendar year for tax returns is Jan 1-Dec 31. This same rule applied to our son who was 6 in November & we could slide him 1 year later into Grade 1.

- Nighthawk



No where in the CBA does it specify that year=season is my point. You could be right, and to be honest it would be very simple if it was. The wording is not very clear and seems to indicate calendar year, even another clause says the following:
a Player who is 19 according to Section 9.2 by virtue of turning 20 between September 16 and December 31 in the year in which he first signs an SPC


Its also his draft+2 season, so makes me think that hes considered 20 if you get drafted at 18.

Either way we will find out soon enough. It would be great if he could slide but I am thinking he wont be able to
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Feb 22 @ 5:10 PM ET
I'm not a lawyer but it doesnt specify what season applies, just says calendar year of signing the contract. That is the entirety of the clause with no supplemental notes so I dont think you can assume that it means for the following season
- WhiteLie



A calender year is January through to December. That typically overlaps NHL regular seasons barring work stoppages.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Feb 22 @ 5:13 PM ET
A calender year is January through to December. That typically overlaps NHL regular seasons barring work stoppages.
- Nuck4U


Calendar year can be further read as after seasons end.
As per an ELC contract applied to a season Boeser is 19.
His contract would start in the 2016-17 season if he were to play anywhere.
Gaudette is 20 & playing him would burn a year of his ELC.
AHL games do not count.
Delta-Bravo
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Is this team relevant yet? , ON
Joined: 02.07.2012

Feb 22 @ 5:16 PM ET
If he has nothing left to learn from NCAA, he does not need enticement. It didn't take Vesey or Demko or Gaudreau or Toews or Oshie very long to realize that they were ready to make the next step.
- Codes1087



WhiteLie
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Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Feb 22 @ 5:17 PM ET
Try this article it specifically talks about Boeser and Gaudette situation.

http://canucksarmy.com/20...-boeser-before-season-end

- Reubenkincade


this marks it all out very clearly
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Feb 22 @ 5:20 PM ET
If he has nothing left to learn from NCAA, he does not need enticement. It didn't take Vesey or Demko or Gaudreau or Toews or Oshie very long to realize that they were ready to make the next step.
- Codes1087


It's up to the player if he is ready to stop playing college and sign. It's up to the club if they ask him to report to a pro assignment be it NHL or AHL. Then the coach decides if he plays. Lots of steps there. Let's see if he says he's done first. Like it was suggested. He could sign and finish classes. Then report to camp. You just don't know where it will go. They may want to see him play in Utica first to see how he measures.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Feb 22 @ 5:20 PM ET

- Delta-Bravo


You are probably right, Vesey should not be included on that list, as he spent 4 years (and probably graduated) before signing.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Feb 22 @ 5:22 PM ET
It's up to the player if he is ready to stop playing college and sign. It's up to the club if they ask him to report to a pro assignment be it NHL or AHL. Then the coach decides if he plays. Lots of steps there. Let's see if he says he's done first. Like it was suggested. He could sign and finish classes. Then report to camp. You just don't know where it will go. They may want to see him play in Utica first to see how he measures.
- Nuck4U


Which is why I said that evaluation of a player is better meant for Exhibitions, main camp, and prospects tourney... Rather than the last 10 meaningless games of the season when we know we won't make playoffs.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Feb 22 @ 5:22 PM ET
If Hansen doesn't get traded. Should sell high on Granlund.
- manvanfan


If Hansen doesn't get traded, he's Vegas bound.
Delta-Bravo
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Is this team relevant yet? , ON
Joined: 02.07.2012

Feb 22 @ 5:23 PM ET
You are probably right, Vesey should not be included on that list, as he spent 4 years (and probably graduated) before signing.
- Codes1087


He's also one of the few little d-bags who blew off the team that drafted him (NSH).
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Feb 22 @ 5:24 PM ET
Hansen has no choice. he can't say no to a trade. The best he can do is try and submit a list of teams that won't want him.
- Retinalz

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like that
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Feb 22 @ 5:24 PM ET
It's simplistic argument for a simplistic dynamic.

"If they're available for trade, they will be traded," TSN Insider (and all-around smart hockey guy) Ray Ferraro told the TSN afternoon show on Monday, referring to both Hansen and pending unrestricted free agent Alex Burrows. "There will be high on both of them. Higher interest on Hansen. If they make them available, I don't know which playoff team wouldn't be interested in various levels of interest for the two players."

Don't know the specifics about Burrows' contract, but Hansen has just submitted a list of 8 teams.

Most hockey players, much like human beings in general, look to succeed.
In that light, the odds are pretty favorable that Hansen would include most, if not a decent amount, of playoff teams in the aspiration of winning a cup.
I.E competitiveness.

They might not want to move, but if they include a team that wants them, a trade is very likely.

Again, i know you are simply anticipating the inevitable TDL disappointment but, If Benning loses assets for nothing when he could 'potentially' garner a return, any return, then he is fundamentally bad at his job.

- Whiskey-Tango


You are making assumptions again. Hansen doesn't want to move and he can simply provide a list of non-playoff teams. Burrows? We need to agree to disagree. I said I don't believe teams will want him. I do agree with you that Benning should make a move though. That move is trading Granlund if there is a market.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Feb 22 @ 5:24 PM ET
He's also one of the few little d-bags who blew off the team that drafted him (NSH).
- Delta-Bravo


not wrong again. I think its a little premature to be thinking we have a similar case with Boeser though.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Feb 22 @ 5:25 PM ET
It's up to the player if he is ready to stop playing college and sign. It's up to the club if they ask him to report to a pro assignment be it NHL or AHL. Then the coach decides if he plays. Lots of steps there. Let's see if he says he's done first. Like it was suggested. He could sign and finish classes. Then report to camp. You just don't know where it will go. They may want to see him play in Utica first to see how he measures.
- Nuck4U


I'd assume if BB leaves college early for Utica its not to sit in the press box.
U can bet he would play & not the decision of Green but an order from JB.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Feb 22 @ 5:26 PM ET
What can he do?

Sutter, Granlund, Sbisa, Tanev are all guys who have value and could be moved for a return.

Understandably guys like Hansen, Miller and Burrows will be harder to move but they still can be moved.

I think based off of the disappointment of last year and the reality that one of Sbisa or Hansen will lost during expansion, those are the two more likely to be moved.

- belcherbd

We all know Sutter and Tanev aren't going anywhere. We need to hope Granlund and Sbisa get moved. Perhaps there is a market?
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Feb 22 @ 5:27 PM ET
The focus is all on NTC cumbersome Hansen and Burrows for TDL moves. However, little to anything is being talked about the D. The area this club has conceded, even during "the high" of playoff contention they could move.

It's been known the most value @ TDL is for D especially for Cup contenders. A team like the Pens with injuries would be more open to buying for value. Sbisa is the easiest to move with no NTC. Then, there is Tanev who has the better return potential. It may come down to what the value is on the offers who JB chooses to move. But it's a good bet one of them is traded with Vegas looming.

- Nuck4U


JB said only 2 or 3 weeks ago that if they would be moving a D most likely in the event of making a trade. That seems to be forgotten in a lot of the discussions.
Healthy-Scratch
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 11.24.2016

Feb 22 @ 5:28 PM ET
I am going to get torched on this, but I have huge reservations about trading Hansen. At 2.5 he is a steal, he is fast, a great penalty killer, can play on any line and never complains. We better get a significant return otherwise what is the point? I am afraid that this trade may be made done to just appease a panicky fan base. Yes, now is the time to sell and we should probably move Burrows and Miller, if there are any takers. Getting a replacement for Hansen next year, at that cheap of cost will not be easy.
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Feb 22 @ 5:28 PM ET
If he has nothing left to learn from NCAA, he does not need enticement. It didn't take Vesey or Demko or Gaudreau or Toews or Oshie very long to realize that they were ready to make the next step.
- Codes1087

He waited his full 4 years in NCAA so he could choose his team. Otherwise he would have been a Pred.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Feb 22 @ 5:29 PM ET
not wrong again. I think its a little premature to be thinking we have a similar case with Boeser though.
- Codes1087



Its not only premature but its silly to say 2 different ppl think the same way.
Its only the Chicken Littles who worry about it. Phobia much? Lol
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Feb 22 @ 5:29 PM ET
Jeff Paterson tweet:
people understand that the other side gets a say in trades, right? #Canucks don't just call up a team and say this is how it's going down.

so true.

- manvanfan

The sad thing is many don't understand how any type of trade works
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Feb 22 @ 5:30 PM ET
He's also one of the few little d-bags who blew off the team that drafted him (NSH).
- Delta-Bravo

I wonder why you are upset
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