I'm kinda tired of the Pens trading their 1st rounders. I would PREFER if the Pens moved a 1st in a hockey trade.
- Rinosaur

Like for a guy that is still under contract?

Hainsey is just too vanilla for me.

Either give me a guy with some upside.....or if you want a 'defensive defenseman' then I want someone with some physicality (a skillset we surely are missing).

I'm not a big fan of this for a 2nd.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Physicality is not a skill set. This is a perfectly fine trade.

I kinda like this pickup. You have a guy who has never played in the playoffs. The first game of the first round, last years Stanley Cup winners can look down the bench and see a veteran soaking that in. perspective and something to rally around can give a team that extra motivation that will be needed against enthusted teams like CBJ. Washington is the real deal this year, last year they were too cocky, same vibe as 2009. This year they are dangerous, Hainsey will put his face infront of Ovechkins clapper for a chance at the cup.

Bit of a rant, sorry guys.
- stackthepads

I'm not big on the "rah rah" stuff so I don't consider that much of a factor. Every player in the NHL should be all out in the playoffs....'extra motivation' need not apply.

Especially after last season, seeing what young energy and fresh legs can bring to the table...I don't like the old rental option nearly as much...

Physicality is not a skill set. This is a perfectly fine trade.
- Feds91Stammer

Your know it all attitude gets annoying man...almost as annoying as mentioning Thomas Tatar and Mike Green every other day.

I kinda like this pickup. You have a guy who has never played in the playoffs. The first game of the first round, last years Stanley Cup winners can look down the bench and see a veteran soaking that in. perspective and something to rally around can give a team that extra motivation that will be needed against enthusted teams like CBJ. Washington is the real deal this year, last year they were too cocky, same vibe as 2009. This year they are dangerous, Hainsey will put his face infront of Ovechkins clapper for a chance at the cup.

Bit of a rant, sorry guys.
- stackthepads

Im with you on this. F that 2nd round pick, seriously, F it. This vet can now smell Lord Stanely and will pay the price to achieve it. Could be his last chance

Hainsey is a dependable guy. He wont have any flash or much offensive production but he wont make many mistakes either if he's on the bottom pairing and PK. I liked him when he was on the Jets, he was obviously younger then, but I think he could make a little difference if logging around 14/15 mins a night and a staple on the PK.

The Pens PK has been in the bottom 10 ,or close to it anyway, all year. If it gets better it will help win more games.

Like for a guy that is still under contract?
- Feds91Stammer

That would be what a "hockey trade" is.

Your know it all attitude gets annoying man...almost as annoying as mentioning Thomas Tatar and Mike Green every other day.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

That would be what a "hockey trade" is.
- Rinosaur

So like Mike Green then.

I'm kinda tired of the Pens trading their 1st rounders. I would PREFER if the Pens moved a 1st in a hockey trade.
- Rinosaur

The last time they move a 1st for a rental was the Iginla trade in 2013, in the last 3+ years the only time they have moved a 1st has been in hockey trades for Perron & Kessel, granted the Perron trade didn't work out as well as hoped long term but it was definitely a hockey trade when it was made.

So like Mike Green then.
- Feds91Stammer

What is you obsession with dumping your turds in our toilet? If Tatar and Green are so awesome why are you so eager to dump them off?

What is you obsession with dumping your turds in our toilet? If Tatar and Green are so awesome why are you so eager to dump them off?
- jaydogg1974

Because he wants to see his favourite players on a good team*

*supposedly

So like Mike Green then.
- Feds91Stammer

www.hockeybuzz.com/team/Detroit-Red-Wings

What is you obsession with dumping your turds in our toilet? If Tatar and Green are so awesome why are you so eager to dump them off?
- jaydogg1974

If he is a true fan then he realizes it's time for the wings to rebuild and those 2 have no future in those plans. Trading them now will probably give you the best value now rather than waiting next year.

So like Mike Green then.
- Feds91Stammer

He's not worth a 1st IMO... at least to the Pens.

If he is a true fan then he realizes it's time for the wings to rebuild and those 2 have no future in those plans. Trading them now will probably give you the best value now rather than waiting next year.
- drummer829

In Tatar's case I want to legitimately see him get a chance to win a cup in his prime. As for Green he is the most valuable asset that can help in the rebuild.

www.hockeybuzz.com/team/Detroit-Red-Wings
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Cool.

Cool.
- Feds91Stammer

You should check it out, its a place where people can get together and discuss the Red Wings.

He's not worth a 1st IMO... at least to the Pens.
- Rinosaur

Green will get a nice trade offer next tdl. Probably a 1st and maybe a little bit more. If they want to get a good return now they need to eat a lot of salary like the yandle deal. I'm not going to say Green's 6/year is a bad deal, but its not something I see a lot of contenders being able to afford for next year.

You should check it out, its a place where people can get together and discuss the Red Wings.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I have much better places to do that but there is nothing to discuss. They are the 3rd worst team in the league.

Green will get a nice trade offer next tdl. Probably a 1st and maybe a little bit more. If they want to get a good return now they need to eat a lot of salary like the yandle deal. I'm not going to say Green's 6/year is a bad deal, but its not something I see a lot of contenders being able to afford for next year.
- sditulli

He can definitely garner a 1st. I just mean he's not worth a 1st to the Pens. If they retained 25%? Then sure, why not.

They'd be foolish to move him for a 1st this year though with such a thin draft, let alone to a team that will be one of the last teams drafting in the round.

He can definitely garner a 1st. I just mean he's not worth a 1st to the Pens. If they retained 25%? Then sure, why not.

They'd be foolish to move him for a 1st this year though with such a thin draft, let alone to a team that will be one of the last teams drafting in the round.
- Rinosaur

Why is he not worth a 1st to the Pens? Who would be worth a 1st to the Pens?

What are his positives and negatives?

Transition game, skating ability, physical or positional defender?
- nelson911

Decent skater, pretty steady, has a good stick.

He can get himself into trouble positionally sometimes but his gap control is excellent. Gets in the faces of opponents in the neutral zone and doesn't make many bad reads.

On the PK he WILL clear the puck the instant it lands on his stick. Doesn't screw around with it.

I still feel like that Stone trade was a precursor to Calgary trading a defenseman...

Decent skater, pretty steady, has a good stick.

He can get himself into trouble positionally sometimes but his gap control is excellent. Gets in the faces of opponents in the neutral zone and doesn't make many bad reads.

On the PK he WILL clear the puck the instant it lands on his stick. Doesn't screw around with it.
- BINGO!

Good to hear, thx for the analysis.

He can definitely garner a 1st. I just mean he's not worth a 1st to the Pens. If they retained 25%? Then sure, why not.

They'd be foolish to move him for a 1st this year though with such a thin draft, let alone to a team that will be one of the last teams drafting in the round.
- Rinosaur

I don't think any contender would touch him at 6/year. In a no cap world sure, but not many teams have that kind of cap available. Same thing with Fleury trade.