I've never been to trader joe's but I get their (frank)ing fliers every month
- chilliard77

Great organic food just (frank)ing hell of expensive lol

you guys are getting a Whole Foods soon I'm pretty sure that's going to go out of business in 2 years.. lol

As much as I'd love to carry out this conversation about cheese at 2am, I've gotta go to sleep lol
- chilliard77

I see it's only 11 here

Have a good night

This is what I meant. I don't think it's a terrible city but it's less than it wants to lead on
- chilliard77

Yeah, I got you

The inferiority complex is strong in Buffalo the past decade or two. It's sad. Turn of the 20th century, it was the cultural epicenter of America. All the great engineers and architects wanted to be here. And they came. and they designed a wonderful city. The second city in the country with electricity. The most elaborate park system in the country, a waterfront sunset, the sunniest summers in the continental United States... All true, look it up. Still one of the ten greenest cities in the country.

City planning in the mid-20th century banked too hard on an unsustainable growth to the population and not enough on modernity. Too many pockets greased, too many bloated ideas.

I just don't like Uncle Terry and his dirty money blowing his load all over the city. It is not what we needed. Because it breeds a cesspool of business not interested in preserving the city, but exploiting it's already depressed population and environment.

Mark my words, this boon will last til the end of the decade and the city will be worse for the wear, especially when New York City sends their disillusioned youth our way by continuing to be completely unaffordable to live in even for the middle-class and we get gentrified by a bunch of spoiled brats who we end up serving breakfast, lunch and dinner to when they take all the white-collar jobs that will spring up in the wake of this "revitalization".

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Man, that's debatable... very debatable... very, very debatable... London is a poop-hole for anyone who isn't affluent or on vacation. England's infrastructure is worse than America's. There is poverty everywhere. Watch I, Daniel Blake to get an idea of what it's like to be working class in England right now. It is not in a good place.

Unless you mean London, Ontario. But that place has Canadians EVERYWHERE.
- BeadyEyedDouche

It's a poophole even for people on vacation. Also, you just said what is true for the vast majority of large cities, full stop.

Cities have to have ring roads, and highways that run through them, or they will die.

Great organic food just (frank)ing hell of expensive lol

you guys are getting a Whole Foods soon I'm pretty sure that's going to go out of business in 2 years.. lol
- GERBE!!!75PTS

No, it'll be huge.

Trader Joe's is still busy.

Yeah, I got you

The inferiority complex is strong in Buffalo the past decade or two. It's sad. Turn of the 20th century, it was the cultural epicenter of America. All the great engineers and architects wanted to be here. And they came. and they designed a wonderful city. The second city in the country with electricity. The most elaborate park system in the country, a waterfront sunset, the sunniest summers in the continental United States... All true, look it up. Still one of the ten greenest cities in the country.

City planning in the mid-20th century banked too hard on an unsustainable growth to the population and not enough on modernity. Too many pockets greased, too many bloated ideas.

I just don't like Uncle Terry and his dirty money blowing his load all over the city. It is not what we needed. Because it breeds a cesspool of business not interested in preserving the city, but exploiting it's already depressed population and environment.

Mark my words, this boon will last til the end of the decade and the city will be worse for the wear, especially when New York City sends their disillusioned youth our way by continuing to be completely unaffordable to live in even for the middle-class and we get gentrified by a bunch of spoiled brats who we end up serving breakfast, lunch and dinner to when they take all the white-collar jobs that will spring up in the wake of this "revitalization".
- BeadyEyedDouche

Yes, it was a great city. But don't kid yourself the only reason we had electricity was because of Tesla and Niagara Falls, the only reason the City is where it is, and what it was, is because of the river.

No, it'll be huge.

Trader Joe's is still busy.
- Wetbandit1

I don't know Whole Foods pretty expensive Buffalo doesn't seem like that type of place that would adapt to that maybe a few

Edit : and I'm sure Buffalo people are going to catch on it's basically Trader Joe's just way more expensive and bigger

It's a poophole even for people on vacation. Also, you just said what is true for the vast majority of large cities, full stop.

Cities have to have ring roads, and highways that run through them, or they will die.
- Wetbandit1

Right, but whether they would die or not is also debatable.

But, Buffalo and Washington D.C. are some of a handful of baroque-style street systems in American cities and this structure along with the ring-road and highway structures that were developed on top of the grid-system, caused a lot more harm than good. Intense areas of poverty, segregation and abandonment of once prime real-estate.

Buffalo died regardless of the Highway system. Detroit died, Cleveland, Syracuse, etc... Despite and in spite of these supposedly city-saving highway systems.

What it actually caused is suburbs and massive suburban sprawl and inner-city poverty (projects). The rich moved out, the poor moved in. And the jobs stayed with the rich, while the poor were given welfare and service jobs with minimum wage.

Right, but whether they would die or not is also debatable.

But, Buffalo and Washington D.C. are some of a handful of baroque-style street systems in American cities and this structure along with the ring-road and highway structures that were developed on top of the grid-system, caused a lot more harm than good. Intense areas of poverty, segregation and abandonment of once prime real-estate.

Buffalo died regardless of the Highway system. Detroit died, Cleveland, Syracuse, etc... Despite and in spite of these supposedly city-saving highway systems.

What it actually caused is suburbs and massive suburban sprawl and inner-city poverty (projects). The rich moved out, the poor moved in. And the jobs stayed with the rich, while the poor were given welfare and service jobs with minimum wage.
- BeadyEyedDouche

Yeah, my point is that cities absolutely need highways, but can still be really poopty places to live with them and aren't immune from contraction. That's why I snuck Pyongyang in there. Along with New Dehli, Cairo and Moscow.

Yes, it was a great city. But don't kid yourself the only reason we had electricity was because of Tesla and Niagara Falls, the only reason the City is where it is, and what it was, is because of the river.
- Wetbandit1

Oh, I'm not kidding myself. Half of any city's success lay in it's geographic location. Throughout history and now. Some die or some prosper. Some find ways to survive, others find ways to fail.

Pittsburgh doesn't exactly have a desirable location for a city. It was built around a fort and it was a great location for a fort. Inland, on a peninsula, surrounded by steep mountains and flanked by large rivers. It's cramped, over-populated and disgustingly humid and hot in the summer because of being in a valley, in the mountains, surrounded by 3 (technically 2) huge rivers. Yet it found a way to prosper. It had more against it than Buffalo and is now probably one of the better cities for quality of life in America. It's even been recently dubbed Hollywood-East.

The Erie Canal was made obsolete by Welland Canal, for example. Not through it's own faults, but because something more convenient came along. That still shouldn't have made the Erie canal obsolete and it's only now become a tourist attraction, but even then there's very little money in it.

Yeah, my point is that cities absolutely need highways, but can still be really poopty places to live with them and aren't immune from contraction. That's why I snuck Pyongyang in there. Along with New Dehli, Cairo and Moscow.
- Wetbandit1

Well. I'd argue that the cities themselves don't need highways. A country needs highways because of the automobile and the ease of transportation it provided. But there was no reason to slam a highway through the middle of cities like Syracuse, for example, which created an unnatural barrier and divided a city from itself.

Highways should lead to a city and make them easy to access, but the highway system America built, based on the autobahn, was from a purely profit-driven perspective and they were planned as quick as possible and contracted to the lowest bidders.

Much like that lovely wall that's going to be built on the southern border of the USA.

Oh, I'm not kidding myself. Half of any city's success lay in it's geographic location. Throughout history and now. Some die or some prosper. Some find ways to survive, others find ways to fail.

Pittsburgh doesn't exactly have a desirable location for a city. It was built around a fort and it was a great location for a fort. Inland, on a peninsula, surrounded by steep mountains and flanked by large rivers. It's cramped, over-populated and disgustingly humid and hot in the summer because of being in a valley, in the mountains, surrounded by 3 (technically 2) huge rivers. Yet it found a way to prosper. It had more against it than Buffalo and is now probably one of the better cities for quality of life in America. It's even been recently dubbed Hollywood-East.

The Erie Canal was made obsolete by Welland Canal, for example. Not through it's own faults, but because something more convenient came along. That still shouldn't have made the Erie canal obsolete and it's only now become a tourist attraction, but even then there's very little money in it.
- BeadyEyedDouche

What made the Canal obsolete was the fact that it was made for a certain time, and wasn't "future proofed" very well.

What made the Canal obsolete was the fact that it was made for a certain time, and wasn't "future proofed" very well.
- Wetbandit1

Sure, there's tons of reasons. It's very small, even at the time it was narrow and shallow. It was just long and lead from NYC to the Great lakes, bypassing Niagara Falls.

Edit: The Welland Canal let ships bypass NYC and go up the St. Lawrence and around the falls. Genius, Richard move by Canada lol.

Well. I'd argue that the cities themselves don't need highways. A country needs highways because of the automobile and the ease of transportation it provided. But there was no reason to slam a highway through the middle of cities like Syracuse, for example, which created an unnatural barrier and divided a city from itself.

Highways should lead to a city and make them easy to access, but the highway system America built, based on the autobahn, was from a purely profit-driven perspective and they were planned as quick as possible and contracted to the lowest bidders.

Much like that lovely wall that's going to be built on the southern border of the USA.
- BeadyEyedDouche

America's highway system was all military. Eisenhower saw how well it worked in Germany and wanted to replicate it here. In fact he wanted it to be completely and only for military use before someone finally talked some sense into him. And they were planned as quickly as they were because it was the Cold War and war was always imminent.

America's highway system was all military. Eisenhower saw how well it worked in Germany and wanted to replicate it here. In fact he wanted it to be completely and only for military use before someone finally talked some sense into him. And they were planned as quickly as they were because it was the Cold War and war was always imminent.
- Wetbandit1

Yeah no arguments here.

Sure, there's tons of reasons. It's very small, even at the time it was narrow and shallow. It was just long and lead from NYC to the Great lakes, bypassing Niagara Falls.
- BeadyEyedDouche

Yeah, it was just wide and deep enough for 2 barges to pass. And it needed a (frank)ing towpath too. Because barges don't have motors.

To your edit: That's what the Canal should've been, but Clinton wanted a jobs program. Plus didn't he own a poop ton of the land too? I mean I get that the lakes aren't really a great place for barges, even in the summer because they get some massive waves out there and the weather changes on a dime, and it's hard to make for port if you've got a line of barges, but it is just too damn long.

Yeah, it was just wide and deep enough for 2 barges to pass. And it needed a (frank)ing towpath too. Because barges don't have motors.

To your edit: That's what the Canal should've been, but Clinton wanted a jobs program. Plus didn't he own a poop ton of the land too? I mean I get that the lakes aren't really a great place for barges, even in the summer because they get some massive waves out there and the weather changes on a dime, and it's hard to make for port if you've got a line of barges, but it is just too damn long.
- Wetbandit1

Yeah, but he didn't exactly want a jobs program... They basically forced Scottish and Irish immigrants into what was slightly above slave-labor in order to build it.

It's a poophole even for people on vacation. Also, you just said what is true for the vast majority of large cities, full stop.

Cities have to have ring roads, and highways that run through them, or they will die.






























- Wetbandit1

Statements like this are why things never improve in this country or anywhere. You aren't happy lately in your marriage, just leave or have an affair<---- That's the same logic. Instead of changing your habits, you just selfishly abandon things.

I'm not saying *you* personally.




Well, apparently being real means leave. I've said before, you criticize that which you love.

Buffalo isn't a complete poop-hole, but it's not a wonderful place either. It's a mediocre city that's massively depopulated, too spread out and compensating like a 70-year old man on Viagra compensates for his ED by purchasing expensive things before he dies that will get repossessed the second he does.



Man, that's debatable... very debatable... very, very debatable... London is a poop-hole for anyone who isn't affluent or on vacation. England's infrastructure is worse than America's. There is poverty everywhere. Watch I, Daniel Blake to get an idea of what it's like to be working class in England right now. It is not in a good place.

Unless you mean London, Ontario. But that place has Canadians EVERYWHERE.
- BeadyEyedDouche

There's just a lot about your previous statement that is untrue to the point where it looks like you're bashing the city
There's plenty of great things going on in the city of buffalo
Either u don't live here so you don't know, or you're so set in your opinion that you're ignorant to all the great stuff that's happening

The Picnic Boys
Bogo and 77
Common folks lets set up a blanket n picnic supplies in front of our net
2 big men, cannot clear the front of the net
Give me Schoney n Korab to clear the front with the big wood Koho stick

Fire anyone now, this team stinks.

Right, but whether they would die or not is also debatable.

But, Buffalo and Washington D.C. are some of a handful of baroque-style street systems in American cities and this structure along with the ring-road and highway structures that were developed on top of the grid-system, caused a lot more harm than good. Intense areas of poverty, segregation and abandonment of once prime real-estate.

Buffalo died regardless of the Highway system. Detroit died, Cleveland, Syracuse, etc... Despite and in spite of these supposedly city-saving highway systems.

What it actually caused is suburbs and massive suburban sprawl and inner-city poverty (projects). The rich moved out, the poor moved in. And the jobs stayed with the rich, while the poor were given welfare and service jobs with minimum wage.
- BeadyEyedDouche

I think fast, reliable, mobile transportation (aka cars) created the suburbian sprawl.
The highways, expressways, etc. we're meant to facilitate quicker transportation around various areas. People wanted and continue to want space between them and their neighbor, rather than living in row house, or fre-standing structures 10' apart.
Once people were able to acquire that and travel quickly to their place of employ, they left ... causing property values to fall in those areas were people moved away...thusly, less affluent could buy those homes. A continuing downward spiral....eventually realizing your intense area of poverty.

Now, investment sparked by UB and the hospitals downtown are reversing that trend of abandonment and it is great to see! It is the spark that hopefully will generate a long term fire in rehabilitation.

2 things,
Herzeleid had the post of the year so far (city maps)...just beautiful!

What is taking so long for EK to give us the damn additional buttons

Well at least we can assume now that Tim will start selling and give up on this season. I went to bed and it was 2-0 late in the 2nd. Woke up this morning, saw the score and laughed.