Right now they are 11 points ahead of us, and much younger, in a harder division, if they finish with 90 points in four years since their rebuild started then Benning should be there too next year....agree?
- LeftCoaster

It's not a race with Toronto Lefty. Benning is not going to manage this team to show up the Leafs rebuild. I keep telling you patience... these arguments you put up show you are anything but...

Sure, and there are teams that did not tank and won the cup (like Boston). There is no 1 way to do it, and Tanking can keep you toiling in misery. Toronto realistically is only so far ahead of us BECAUSE they had young players that could let youth develop, like Kadri, etc. We did not have that, we had aging vets that were winding down quickly. Benning filled a gap so that we can let youth develop properly and ruin them, like Oilers, etc have done to youth.
- Retinalz

There's a lot of ways to win the Cup but rarely is it won by a team that doesn't have high draft picks on it.

I would jump in here but it's pretty clear you don't actually want to have a discussion.
- belcherbd

What? You disagree? Feel free to correct me, I thought I captured at least our media perfectly.

There's a lot of ways to win the Cup but rarely is it won by a team that doesn't have high draft picks on it.
- LeftCoaster

Gudbrandson 3rd
OJ 5 th
JV 6 th
Bo 9 th

This year should be top 5


now let them grow

Again, there were a lot more teams that had top 3 picks that haven't won a Cup in that time frame. Your argument is useless because only 1 team can win the Cup out of 30 (soon to be 31) teams. I agree with booner, you have such a hardon for Benning that it's like you're almost Nucker's alt. Is Benning doing a perfect job? No, of course not, but he hasn't hampered our rebuild, all he's done is try to ensure that the team has enough character guys on it to teach the young talent coming in what it means to win and what it takes to do so. We're still going to be likely picking top 5 this year, again and maybe even top 3, saying that our goal is to make the playoffs sure hasn't changed that much now has it?
- DariusKnight

It's about putting yourself in a position to acquire a guy you can build around, not winning a Cup, initially, those guys are hard to find outside of the top.

Kane has one year left so no wait

No to Landy


I do like Puljujarvi Neimeleinen and 2018 First for Tanev Hansen and Markstrom
- VANTEL

Agree on Kane

I understand the cost for Landy is too high

Thats a solid return & take it in a heartbeat.
Oilers fans might not agree but these r all good parts to add.

Gudbrandson 3rd
OJ 5 th
JV 6 th
Bo 9 th

This year should be top 5


now let them grow
- VANTEL

You need a star player. Bo is the only good/proven player there.

Not a single team wanted Vrbata on his list. Pretty simple? What is confusing?
- CanuckDon

I know I'm so far behind boys. trying to catch up to it all. I'm pretty sure I remember this story surfacing last year after JB failed to trade Vrbata. Forgive me if I'm wrong. But I'm 99% sure its correct.

Vrbata's wife was due to give birth last year somewhere between the TDL and end of season. Their last baby had complications during the pregnancy/birth. He did not wanna be away from Vancouver at that time. So, the teams he provided were all teams that wouldn't ever trade for him.

Altho if that were the case, you would think JB would just not ask him to waive in the first place. It is a business tho....

As for Hamhius, JB didn't wanna show other teams that he could be fleeced if they waited to the last minute to make an offer.

So far most of JB's trades have turned out pretty good. Almost all really... some still tbd. But this is the 1st time that the initial reaction has been so positive. Nice for a change

Love this deal btw!!!!

time to catch up! I'm so far behind.

There's a lot of ways to win the Cup but rarely is it won by a team that doesn't have high draft picks on it.
- LeftCoaster

True they help a lot. Cap era and all has swung a lot that way. Like you said before quality drafting is key. But they don't always comes by way of the team who drafted them. Trades and signings have been options. It's all hard. But if you can draft the player to develop to help the team that's golden.

I know I'm so far behind boys. trying to catch up to it all. I'm pretty sure I remember this story surfacing last year after JB failed to trade Vrbata. Forgive me if I'm wrong. But I'm 99% sure its correct.

Vrbata's wife was due to give birth last year somewhere between the TDL and end of season. Their last baby had complications during the pregnancy/birth. He did not wanna be away from Vancouver at that time. So, the teams he provided were all teams that wouldn't ever trade for him.

Altho if that were the case, you would think JB would just not ask him to waive in the first place. It is a business tho....

As for Hamhius, JB didn't wanna show other teams that he could be fleeced if they waited to the last minute to make an offer.

So far most of JB's trades have turned out pretty good. Almost all really... some still tbd. But this is the 1st time that the initial reaction has been so positive. Nice for a change

Love this deal btw!!!!

time to catch up! I'm so far behind.


- storm88

Well said. Hope we get more positives to make up for the lost seasons.

It's about putting yourself in a position to acquire a guy you can build around, not winning a Cup, initially, those guys are hard to find outside of the top.
- LeftCoaster

Seriously Lefty, are you even reading what you're writing, the object is to win a Cup. That's what every team's goal should be, not building around one guy. One guy is not going to get you championships, he might get you scoring trophies or Hart trophies or whatever, but the object is to win the Cup. If that's not the goal, what the hell is the point of playing the games?

Crosby on his own would never have won Pittsburg a Cup no matter HOW good he is, he had to have Malkin, Fleury and other talent around him just to manage to win that first one. Then it took him 7 years and trading for the HBK line to get his second. Toews would never had won 3 Cups without Kane, Keith, Seabrook and couldn't get over the hump until Hossa got there. Doughty would have played in obscurity in LA had not the Kings traded for Carter and Richards and even then, they were lucky to have made the playoffs the year they won their first Cup.

You need a star player. Bo is the only good/proven player there.
- LeftCoaster

That is where the patience comes in.


Canucks play a confusing system not many players grow up playing the Sedin cycle

You're such a dippoop, they traded the 30th pick for the all import position of goaltending when they had the 1st, 30th and 31st pick.

As for the Sedins, I said you can't trade them because of what they've meant to the franchise, not because I wanted the team to be competitive
- LeftCoaster

That is a really rally weak response. Not even a D for effort.

You argue here we can sign free agents for stop gaps rather than trade away picks for them. In Toronto, a 1st is reasonable. Andersen will be 32 by the time Matthews, Marner and Nylander will be 24/25.


So you argued keeping the Sedins for sentimental reasons? That kind of gets in the way of a rebuild.

I'm the dippoop.

Seriously Lefty, are you even reading what you're writing, the object is to win a Cup. That's what every team's goal should be, not building around one guy. One guy is not going to get you championships, he might get you scoring trophies or Hart trophies or whatever, but the object is to win the Cup. If that's not the goal, what the hell is the point of playing the games?

Crosby on his own would never have won Pittsburg a Cup no matter HOW good he is, he had to have Malkin, Fleury and other talent around him just to manage to win that first one. Then it took him 7 years and trading for the HBK line to get his second. Toews would never had won 3 Cups without Kane, Keith, Seabrook and couldn't get over the hump until Hossa got there. Doughty would have played in obscurity in LA had not the Kings traded for Carter and Richards and even then, they were lucky to have made the playoffs the year they won their first Cup.
- DariusKnight

it starts with one and you build from there, of course it's about winning a Cup! That's what I'm saying, tear it down, grab a star and start building, how is that confusing?

But people are saying they're not ahead of us, which I totally disagree with, they are ahead of us. People here are saying we're rebuilding on the fly and we have as many good pieces as they do which is totally incorrect. At this point.

At the root of it, it's two different thought processes, one that you can rebuild and accumulate Talent on the Fly and another that you can bottom out and accumulate Talent. Preferentially I prefer the latter.
- LeftCoaster

I haven't said this. I argue that they are going to take something the new management started off perfectly, and blow it by jumping off the rebuild too early. I'm accusing them of what you are accusing Benning of, but worse. I won't buy this text book rebuild you and Nucker are selling. I listen to you guys repeat the take down piece on the Canucks "doing it wrong" on Sportsnet earlier this year and laugh at how easy you guys get strung along on the Leafs. To the point where you will claim they don't trade away their picks.... immediately after a 1st is traded. I mean, I didn't get sucked into that... being all unedjumucated and all...

That is a really rally weak response. Not even a D for effort.

You argue here we can sign free agents for stop gaps rather than trade away picks for them. In Toronto, a 1st is reasonable. Andersen will be 32 by the time Matthews, Marner and Nylander will be 24/25.


So you argued keeping the Sedins for sentimental reasons? That kind of gets in the way of a rebuild.

I'm the dippoop.
- boonerbuck

ya you really are!

You just finished asking for something that has been posted 8 times in this thread. Go ahead and laugh.
- boonerbuck

sarcasm buds.
Some get it...

you're so clueless it's painful to reason with you!! When you have three of the first 31 picks and you get your guy at number one you may want to help yourself out by getting a goaltender!
- LeftCoaster

To get him for what Lefty? Trade a 1st to make the playoffs possible right? He'll be old and gone by the time the team matures. Another thing you have pointed out in Bennings trades for people as young as 23.

Please tell me more about clueless because I can easily see the contradictions you keep posting.

So far I'm uneducated. I'm a dipsh!t. I'm clueless.

I understand it's frustrating when conceding isn't an option. That is something you need to work on... letting it be an option.

He asked for it on the same page I posted the link 5 times
- NorthNuck

To get him for what Lefty? Trade a 1st to make the playoffs possible right? He'll be old and gone by the time the team matures. Another thing you have pointed out in Bennings trades for people as young as 23.

Please tell me more about clueless because I can easily see the contradictions you keep posting.

So far I'm uneducated. I'm a dipsh!t. I'm clueless.

I understand it's frustrating when conceding isn't an option. That is something you need to work on... letting it be an option.
- boonerbuck

They traded for a goaltender because they could, so their young players would have a better chance to win. They drafted 20 times in the past two years out of a possible 14, including two 1st's, four 2nd's, four 3rd's and three 4th's. That's 13 times in the first four rounds. Despite trading for Andersen.

When you have a pick, amongst the many, that can help you with the most important position in hockey you spend it. But you keep hanging onto that notion that trading that one pick shouldn't have happened because you don't trade picks lol....you're so clueless!!

Bottom line....when you can afford to spend a 30th pick and still pick many many times, including the first overall, it's not really a bad business decision.

It's about putting yourself in a position to acquire a guy you can build around, not winning a Cup, initially, those guys are hard to find outside of the top.
- LeftCoaster

...and we finished 3rd best odds to pick #1 last year. Looks like another high draft with great positioning for a lottery win this year. Since you said recently "you can count on the lottery helping you", why are you protesting the position Benning put us in two seasons in a row? It's not like we trade 1st and 2nd rounders to win now like the Shanaplan or anything. We got stuck with UFA's that didn't want to be traded. Finally, we get one who wants to cooperate... and Benning did well in that trade.

...and we finished 3rd best odds to pick #1 last year. Looks like another high draft with great positioning for a lottery win this year. Since you said recently "you can count on the lottery helping you", why are you protesting the position Benning put us in two seasons in a row? It's not like we trade 1st and 2nd rounders to win now like the Shanaplan or anything. We got stuck with UFA's that didn't want to be traded. Finally, we get one who wants to cooperate... and Benning did well in that trade.
- boonerbuck

because Benning is actually trying to win!!!

Ok goodnight boys....that's all I can take for one night.

because Benning is actually trying to win!!!
- LeftCoaster

Playoffs?

because Benning is actually trying to win!!!
- LeftCoaster

With the Sedins here how could it be any different?
Doesn't matter in the end when no option was the hand dealt to JB.