Cody Fransen got 3.3 in arbitration after scoring 33pts and playing 20+ min a night for the leafs.

Michael stone got 4 mil after scoring 36 pts and playing 22+ a night.

Krug signed for 3.4 after 2 seasons of scoring over 10 goals and 40 pts in each year.

All of these were 1 year show me deals.
- belcherbd

Yeah, which is why I wouldn't actually worry about arbitration. The Canucks could bring a 2 mil offer to the table the arbitrator would probably put a lot of credit into it, if it wasn't for a pay cut.

The best Guddy should hope for is the same deal he just played on.

I think the past 5+ seasons have shown the Canucks need 8+ defenseman to step in at any time. I dont think they quite have the depth to move anyone until such time as OJ can prove he is NHL ready and that Subban/Pedan/McEneny/etc. can potentially be that #8 guy.

I would like to clear space in front of these young guys but reality is almost all still require some sheltering
- WhiteLie

Pedan+Subban >>>Biega+Larsen

Top flight playmaking C is needed.
The PP needs to be a threat.
Scoring from the D needs much more results.
- Nighthawk

Things would look a lot better if they luck into drafting a projected top line Center.

Nico/Nolan - Horvat duo would be great to build the forward core around as long as they live up to projections.

Then you can just sit back and let the rest of the draft just flow and grab BPA and make some boom/bust picks and take some risks.

Pedan+Subban >>>Biega+Larsen
- phyllee

I have to keep reminding myself Biega is team property. Subban would have to be unable to skate backwards to be worse defensively than him.

I don't really like the idea of just hoping that the youth will learn how to win on their own. I don't mind the occasional Eriksson contract.
I'd actually like to Sign Patrick Marleau to a 1 yr deal next season for under 2 million. Daniel Winnik if can get him for cheap on a shorter term contract. Could really use some help on the PK.
- manvanfan

I'm 100% for signing vets to 1-2 year deals, let them "mentor" and then flip them to a contender for a pick

This might be the biggest issue for the team. No one on defence is a threat to score, let alone really shoot the puck or make a dangerous play.

Maybe Stecher and Tryamkin develop something. Maybe Hutton gets his mojo back. Maybe Juolevi has more offence than he's shown.

Its probably the big reason why some people are so high on Subban.

The last dangerous offensive Dman was Ehrhoff.
- Lindenis#1

Looking at it from another perspective...

More speed & skill up front with sniping would change the dynamics immensely.
Drawing more penalties & teams PK focus on forwards opens up the point.

Things would look a lot better if they luck into drafting a projected top line Center.

Nico/Nolan - Horvat duo would be great to build the forward core around as long as they live up to projections.

Then you can just sit back and let the rest of the draft just flow and grab BPA and make some boom/bust picks and take some risks.
- Nucker101

I really hope they adopt this for rounds 3-7. Take fliers on high end talent and hope it works out. You can get plugs off waivers or late in FA to fill out your lines.

Yeah, which is why I wouldn't actually worry about arbitration. The Canucks could bring a 2 mil offer to the table the arbitrator would probably put a lot of credit into it, if it wasn't for a pay cut.

The best Guddy should hope for is the same deal he just played on.
- Lindenis#1

A $2m offer would lose & EG would win his arbitration.
Low balling is not the way to go.

I don't really like the idea of just hoping that the youth will learn how to win on their own. I don't mind the occasional Eriksson contract.
I'd actually like to Sign Patrick Marleau to a 1 yr deal next season for under 2 million. Daniel Winnik if can get him for cheap on a shorter term contract. Could really use some help on the PK.
- manvanfan

Signing Marleau to 1 year or Winnick the other many guys who are usually still around after the first day of frenzy is much different than the Eriksson deal.

Having Vets is always important.

I'm 100% for signing vets to 1-2 year deals, let them "mentor" and then flip them to a contender for a pick
- Nucker101

Who r these so-called vets that can mentor?
Plugs r useless IMO

Looking at it from another perspective...

More speed & skill up front with sniping would change the dynamics immensely.
Drawing more penalties & teams PK focus on forwards opens up the point.
- Nighthawk

But even then, you still need a high threat. For all the talent in Edmonton up front, they have no threat on defence to produce offensively so teams collapse real hard down low.

One of the reasons people talked so much about the Twins and Eriksson is because of the national team. And they do play well together there, but they also are on the ice with Karlsson and Hedman

Never change man.
- belcherbd

That's right, I would much rather hear your own opinions and what you think. There's nothing complicated in the argument that's been ongoing with the hyper negative people. It's a matter of people not budging an inch even when both sides arrive at the conclusion together and get what they want.

Your Weber question was much more interesting.

A $2m offer would lose & EG would win his arbitration.
Low balling is not the way to go.
- Nighthawk

I didn't say they should do it

And it isn't baseball arbitration. The arbitrator looks at the two offers and finds somewhere in the middle. No one wins or loses.

Things would look a lot better if they luck into drafting a projected top line Center.

Nico/Nolan - Horvat duo would be great to build the forward core around as long as they live up to projections.

Then you can just sit back and let the rest of the draft just flow and grab BPA and make some boom/bust picks and take some risks.
- Nucker101

This draft & future drafts aside....
I think if JB can amass the right prospect pool & allow us to trade for that top 2C would work fine. It would cost us but all dependent on the prospect pool he can create for us. Another dreamy idea is our roster develops & produces to the point that a JT sees us a good destination in 2018. Thats a goal worth setting that 2018 we have many of the bugs sorted out.

Things would look a lot better if they luck into drafting a projected top line Center.

Nico/Nolan - Horvat duo would be great to build the forward core around as long as they live up to projections.

Then you can just sit back and let the rest of the draft just flow and grab BPA and make some boom/bust picks and take some risks.
- Nucker101

What do you think of the next Tkachuk kid eligible in 2018? He's a C.

I really hope they adopt this for rounds 3-7. Take fliers on high end talent and hope it works out. You can get plugs off waivers or late in FA to fill out your lines.
- Lindenis#1

JB has already proven his ability to find late rounds goods.
Fliers work for other teams where as we do fine as it is.

That's right, I would much rather hear your own opinions and what you think. There's nothing complicated in the argument that's been ongoing with the hyper negative people. It's a matter of people not budging an inch even when both sides arrive at the conclusion together and get what they want.

Your Weber question was much more interesting.

- boonerbuck

Fair enough, I took umbrage with the simplicity of your explanation but I understand some of it was probably for effect.

All good, I'm sure there are plenty of original thoughts we can argue about

I didn't say they should do it

And it isn't baseball arbitration. The arbitrator looks at the two offers and finds somewhere in the middle. No one wins or loses.
- Lindenis#1

I hearya but then don't throw out a $2m number

JB has already proven his ability to find late rounds goods.
Fliers work for other teams where as we do fine as it is.
- Nighthawk

Are you talking about here? because as good as some of his late round picks look so far I don't think we can be calling any of them proven.

The future looks better than it has in years but don't count your chickens yet.

JB has already proven his ability to find late rounds goods.
Fliers work for other teams where as we do fine as it is.
- Nighthawk

When he was in Buffalo. But not Boston and outside of Tryamkin here its really hard to say if any of them are gonna be worth a damn.

Cole Cassel's was talked about around here as a great find and future #2. Now he's in the ECHL

Are you talking about here? because as good as some of his late round picks look so far I don't think we can be calling any of them proven.

The future looks better than it has in years but don't count your chickens yet.
- belcherbd

Proven he can find them.
U twisted it saying the players r not proven.
Tryamkin Gaudette r truly good picks in the 3rd & 5th rounds.
Not every later pick will stand out.

When he was in Buffalo. But not Boston and outside of Tryamkin here its really hard to say if any of them are gonna be worth a damn.

Cole Cassel's was talked about around here as a great find and future #2. Now he's in the ECHL
- Lindenis#1

Talked about & wishful thinking but i was not in on it.
I said he would be a 4C at best.

When he was in Buffalo. But not Boston and outside of Tryamkin here its really hard to say if any of them are gonna be worth a damn.

Cole Cassel's was talked about around here as a great find and future #2. Now he's in the ECHL
- Lindenis#1

If McDavid was in the AHL, Cassels would be a star.

Proven he can find them.
U twisted it saying the players r not proven.
Tryamkin Gaudette r truly good picks in the 3rd & 5th rounds.
Not every later pick will stand out.
- Nighthawk

People thought Steven Anthony was a great late round find. Same with Patrick McNally.

Hard to call him much until he proves something. Every team in the league has a 5th rounder that's doing well in the CHL/NCAA. Not many of them pan out.

Who r these so-called vets that can mentor?
Plugs r useless IMO
- Nighthawk

Benning considers Dorsett a mentor, same with Prust. Mentorship isn't about skill