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Whiskey-Tango
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Classification: Bipolar-Tanker, QC
Joined: 12.10.2011

Mar 1 @ 3:04 PM ET
"Canucks are done" per TSN.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Mar 1 @ 3:04 PM ET
Goblin looks good..I actually think Dahlen may be the better prospect. I am still shocked we picked him up for Burrows.
- CanuckDon


I hate to say it Don but I really hope you are right.

But if you are Pom-Pom waving I'll be pissed.
DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

Mar 1 @ 3:05 PM ET
No more trades for Vancouver, it's what I thought.
we_are_all_canucks
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Don't hate me because I'm really really ridiculously good looking.
Joined: 09.29.2007

Mar 1 @ 3:05 PM ET
Canucks are notorious for doing deadline day deals though. I think its just the first time in a long time that we have actually REALLY GOT what we wanted lol.
- Codes1087

Yea, we win deadline day!
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Mar 1 @ 3:06 PM ET
No more trades for Vancouver, it's what I thought.
- DariusKnight


So did everyone's Vaseline supply last?
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Mar 1 @ 3:07 PM ET
I hate to say it Don but I really hope you are right.

But if you are Pom-Pom waving I'll be pissed.

- bloatedmosquito


Between Dahlen, Goblin, Boeser, OJ, Gaudette, Virtanen, Demko and this years top 5 pick, they can't all bust can they?
Bullfrog77
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vernon, BC
Joined: 02.18.2015

Mar 1 @ 3:07 PM ET
Vrbata successfully trolls the NHL for a second straight deadline
Whiskey-Tango
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Classification: Bipolar-Tanker, QC
Joined: 12.10.2011

Mar 1 @ 3:08 PM ET
Vrbata successfully trolls the NHL for a second straight deadline
- Bullfrog77


Lindenis#1
Vancouver Canucks
Location: he's (frank)in unstable so mrs dt is freaking out, AB
Joined: 07.22.2007

Mar 1 @ 3:08 PM ET
Goblin looks good..I actually think Dahlen may be the better prospect. I am still shocked we picked him up for Burrows.
- CanuckDon


Considering how soft the market was for wingers, JB did a hell of a job getting those two.

Vrbata didn't move. Parenteau for a 6th. Vanek for a cond 4th or something. Iginla for a cond 4th. A few other names like Stempniak didn't move.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Mar 1 @ 3:08 PM ET
"Canucks are done" per TSN.
- Whiskey-Tango


In the grand scheme of things, a large victory for the franchise in the last 24 hours.
WhiteLie
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Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Mar 1 @ 3:08 PM ET
Goblin looks good..I actually think Dahlen may be the better prospect. I am still shocked we picked him up for Burrows.
- CanuckDon


Cant remember who said it, but someone suggested Dahlen might be a better prospect than Boeser, went on to say he was first round talent in a very deep draft and made massive strides in a pro league. I am equally surprised that any of our scraps brought him in
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Mar 1 @ 3:08 PM ET
Canucks are notorious for doing deadline day deals though. I think its just the first time in a long time that we have actually REALLY GOT what we wanted lol.
- Codes1087


Really got in the sense of getting rid of veterans? Or they got the prospects they wanted/needed?
we_are_all_canucks
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Don't hate me because I'm really really ridiculously good looking.
Joined: 09.29.2007

Mar 1 @ 3:09 PM ET
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Whiskey-Tango
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Classification: Bipolar-Tanker, QC
Joined: 12.10.2011

Mar 1 @ 3:10 PM ET
In the grand scheme of things, a large victory for the franchise in the last 24 hours.
- Codes1087


Agreed.
Lindenis#1
Vancouver Canucks
Location: he's (frank)in unstable so mrs dt is freaking out, AB
Joined: 07.22.2007

Mar 1 @ 3:10 PM ET
Between Dahlen, Goblin, Boeser, OJ, Gaudette, Virtanen, Demko and this years top 5 pick, they can't all bust can they?
- CanuckDon


You'd feel that you've got to at least bat 50-60% on those goes.

And if you can squeeze some long term quality stuff out of Subban and Gaunce with Tryamkin and Stecher making more strides, its the best spot this team has been in for ages in terms of young players.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Mar 1 @ 3:10 PM ET
Really got in the sense of getting rid of veterans? Or they got the prospects they wanted/needed?
- bloatedmosquito


I think this is the first time since Jim Benning has taken over that I am confident in the fact that he is committed to building the team through the draft/developing. Hansen is a very serviceable player, but Goldobyn and the possiblilty of a 1st far outweighs his production on a terrible Canucks team.
canucksfan1944
Joined: 12.13.2016

Mar 1 @ 3:11 PM ET
It makes me a little happy PHX didn't get anything for vrbata too haha
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Mar 1 @ 3:11 PM ET
Here's a funny post from the past. This is Fosco setting Lefty straight on our underrated prospect pool. Lefty was being critical of Gillis' drafting. This is kind of telling about where we were with Gillis taking care of our future... this is gold.

"Still too early.

In 2008, Gillis had only been with the team for two weeks. He went with the scouts' lists except for choosing Hodgson over Beach when he fell to the Canucks. Other guys were trash, except for Sauve, who looked alright early on, but fell off a cliff developmentally. I guess Gillis should have spent his entire two weeks of previous experience finding better scouts...

It's too early to judge 2009 because the Canucks took several prospects who were widely considered long term projects. And a few of those could still be effective NHLers.

Schroeder is just now breaking into the league, and IMO looks to have a decent career.

Rodin looked promising early on, but severe shoulder injuries stopped him from playing the gritty game he was accustomed to because he was unable to go into the dirty areas. He'll likely still be able to forge out a decent career in the SEL, where it's not as physical.

Andersson is one of the projects. He just came over from Sweden last season, and immediately won a top pairing role on the Wolves. He'll get some callup duty within the next two years, and I think he'll eventually be able to wrestle a permanent bottom pairing spot, whether it's with the Canucks or not.

Price was another project, because it was well known he wanted to go the collegiate route. He's had an excellent college career with Colgate, and looked very good in his 5 games with the Wolves last year. This kid could very well still be an NHLer.

Unfortunately he didn't want to sign with the Canucks, and he's apparently attending Minnesota's prospect camp.

Joe Cannata was another long term college player. He was nominated for a Hobey Baker in his final year, and has played very well in the AHL.

Steven Anthony, who was the last pick for the Canucks in that draft, was a high-risk/high-reward pick, who (not joking) was considered a potential 1st round pick early in his major jr career.

Anthony is the only one of that draft class who I think you can close the book on.

The rest were/are all good picks for the later rounds.

In 2010, we all know that the Canucks didn't even have a pick until the 4th round, which they used on Pat McNally—another long term project player who unquestionably would have gone earlier had he not made it abundantly clear he wanted to finish college.

Up until last season, when he was suspended from the team, he was a stud on the blue line for Harvard. Time will tell if he picks up where he left off.

Adam Polasek was chosen next—a guy who looked excellent on the Wolves at the end of the year, and was praised as being one of the team's best defenders at the end of the year when he stepped up after Andersson was injured. Again, there is still some NHL potential here.

Next was Alex Friesen. I'm not really a fan, personally. Hard working defensive forward with low upside. Low risk pick at the time, that hasn't turned out.

Sawyer Hannay was the final pick in 2010. Bad pick. Not really going to defend this one. But again, this is a 7th rounder...


So, to sum up, the trend in these drafts seems to be there are maybe a bit too many long term projects...

I guess MG felt the NHL roster was strong enough that he could take a risk on some projects.

Certainly not the best draft record, but there are a few NHLers already, and likely a couple more.

The bottom line is that many of them are still developing. Patience"
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Mar 1 @ 3:12 PM ET
Between Dahlen, Goblin, Boeser, OJ, Gaudette, Virtanen, Demko and this years top 5 pick, they can't all bust can they?
- CanuckDon


Well, who's the advanced stat guy?

What's the average percentage of prospects that actually make an NHL roster? 20%? 10%?

So by percentage, maybe one or two.
Lindenis#1
Vancouver Canucks
Location: he's (frank)in unstable so mrs dt is freaking out, AB
Joined: 07.22.2007

Mar 1 @ 3:15 PM ET
Well, who's the advanced stat guy?

What's the average percentage of prospects that actually make an NHL roster? 20%? 10%?

So by percentage, maybe one or two.

- bloatedmosquito


I've seen some stuff that Goldobin's comparables are NHL players (which I think was set at 200+NHL Games) pan out ~55% of the time.

I've seen some stuff that had Boeser higher than that after his draft+1 but others that have had it regress a bit in his draft+2.

Haven't seen much more on anyone else, especially recently. A lot of that stuff comes from August when people are bored in the summer.
Whiskey-Tango
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Classification: Bipolar-Tanker, QC
Joined: 12.10.2011

Mar 1 @ 3:18 PM ET
Here's a funny post from the past. This is Fosco setting Lefty straight on our underrated prospect pool. Lefty was being critical of Gillis' drafting. This is kind of telling about where we were with Gillis taking care of our future... this is gold.
- boonerbuck


Busts, each and every one of them.
Not sure how that's Fosco 'setting anyone straight'.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Mar 1 @ 3:18 PM ET
Between Dahlen, Goblin, Boeser, OJ, Gaudette, Virtanen, Demko and this years top 5 pick, they can't all bust can they?
- CanuckDon

According to Lefty yes they can.
SJSharks39
San Jose Sharks
Location: I'm the OELest , CA
Joined: 11.14.2014

Mar 1 @ 3:19 PM ET
I like the deal, works for both sides here. I wish Goldy all the best as he's going to get his opportunity to sink or swim with you guys, just something that wasn't going to happen here in san jose.

I just crack up so many shark fans crying about this deal lol.....I mean this isn't a shocker seeing goldy get moved.

Anyway I hope to see Hansen on Logan's line
Healthy-Scratch
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 11.24.2016

Mar 1 @ 3:20 PM ET
Corrado has been moved to Pittsburgh as part of Eric Fehr deal
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Mar 1 @ 3:21 PM ET
I avoided all tv coverage for the first time on draft day. More interesting in here.
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