Anyone know what the deal was for Gionta?

Question ..... does a player's bonus money come off the salary cap for this year if the team has the necessary cap space or does it automatically come off next years cap?
- Matthews_Auston

This year. If they don't it deducts from next year's cap.

A player who has scored 58, 48, and 31 points over the last 3 full seasons (missing only 13 games in 3 years), 31 so far this season, was traded today.

Player
4th round pick
conditional 7th round pick


The return?

4th round pick.

But yes, Franson and Kulikov are worth close to that (each)

Have a good night folks, it's too deep in here for me.
- stashu

Flipulla has term left

its encouraging to hear that hes identified the players as the bigger problem.

Flipulla has term left
- sbroads24

Was just adding that. 5M for an extra year for a guy with 7 goals this season.

Bold prediction, both guys will get one year deals from the Sabres.
- Wetbandit1

Honestly, I haven't had much issue with Franson this year. He is what he is, and out of the bunch we have, he's not the worst. That said, it's been nice knowing you Cody. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

No, you're right, I'd rather have a 4th or 5th round pick and acquire the next Brett Murray, Maxwell Willman, or Logan Nelson.

If this is the new value of rentals (which it has been the last few years) A smart GM would be acquiring two to three rentals a year for their 3rd to 6th round picks.
- Mentalorgasm5

https://www.nhl.com/news/...te-round-gems/c-280986222

Flipulla has term left
- sbroads24

Does that not mean a good point producer with term should get a "good" return?

So a good player, who is "guaranteed" to play for your team next year, only got that poop return...yet 2 horrible d-men on the worst team evarrr not getting traded is a failure.

Got it.

Does that not mean a good point producer with term should get a "good" return?

So a good player, who is "guaranteed" to play for your team next year, only got that poop return...yet 2 horrible d-men on the worst team evarrr not getting traded is a failure.

Got it.
- stashu

5M dollars per year. 7 goals this year. I'm not sure I would deem VF a "good" player any longer. At his pay, that's nearing cap dump territory.

If there was 20+ trades today with UFA defensemen going all over the place for mid round picks and Murray couldn't move them, yeah. Failure. But that's not really how it went down. It was majority forwards today.

I'm having a really hard time understanding the non-moves today. I know the market sucked, but anything is better than losing UFAs for nothing July 1?

https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-draft-late-round-gems/c-280986222
- ImThatGuy

Yeah this is a grand idea. We'll make a comparative list of gems found in the late rounds compared to all the players that never even play 1 NHL game. Hence why the value is next to nothing. Once again, the odds of hitting on that pick are as close to zero without actually equaling zero.

You are coming across as the type who likes to buy a lottery ticket everyday, because well you know, you have a chance to win.

PHam:

players issues w Bylsma go back to last year

Does that not mean a good point producer with term should get a "good" return?

So a good player, who is "guaranteed" to play for your team next year, only got that poop return...yet 2 horrible d-men on the worst team evarrr not getting traded is a failure.

Got it.
- stashu

Ron Hainsey who has never played a playoff game is older and has less points was traded.

Yeah this is a grand idea. We'll make a comparative list of gems found in the late rounds compared to all the players that never even play 1 NHL game. Hence why the value is next to nothing. Once again, the odds of hitting on that pick are as close to zero without actually equaling zero.

You are coming across as the type who likes to buy a lottery ticket everyday, because well you know, you have a chance to win.
- Mentalorgasm5

If you have a choice between a lottery ticket and no lottery ticket...do you take it?

Yeah this is a grand idea. We'll make a comparative list of gems found in the late rounds compared to all the players that never even play 1 NHL game. Hence why the value is next to nothing. Once again, the odds of hitting on that pick are as close to zero without actually equaling zero.

You are coming across as the type who likes to buy a lottery ticket everyday, because well you know, you have a chance to win.
- Mentalorgasm5

lets ask someone who has won the lottery if they regret buying that ticket....

5M dollars per year. 7 goals this year. I'm not sure I would deem VF a "good" player any longer. At his pay, that's nearing cap dump territory.
- RhinoFan

He's at the age where it's "is he having an off year because he's only playing on the 3rd line?" or is it "he's 32 and the wheels are starting to fall off." Teams are willing to roll the dice for a year for a player who up until this year has been an effective player. ::cough:: Matt Moulson 5 years.

If you have a choice between a lottery ticket and no lottery ticket...do you take it?
- RhinoFan

No lottery ticket obviously. Why would you buy one if it is not a guaranteed winner.

If you have a choice between a lottery ticket and no lottery ticket...do you take it?
- RhinoFan

I have the chance to waste money everyday on a lottery ticket, I am intelligent enough not to.

So, now it's Myers, Lemieux, Armia, Roslovic, 6th for Kane, Kransdorf, Bogo. That's how it works right?

Ron Hainsey who has never played a playoff game is older and has less points was traded.
- ImThatGuy

weren't you talking about things being "fair" or bad comparisons earlier? Yet adding whether a player ever played in the playoffs is a fair add to a comparison???

Yes, Hainsey is the only reason any team he ever played for never made the playoffs. He must be worlds worse than Kulikov and the stud that is Franson

lets ask someone who has won the lottery if they regret buying that ticket....
- ImThatGuy

That's not a great argument, because most of the time the answer will be "yes, that (frank)ing thing ruined my life."

I have the chance to waste money everyday on a lottery ticket, I am intelligent enough not to.
- Mentalorgasm5

lets ask someone who has won the lottery if they regret buying that ticket....
- ImThatGuy

Yes you track down those 0.00001 percent of people, whereas you can as the millions who waste their money daily on it.

Six points out, we acquire 3 roster players that will improve our roster for garbage picks. The odds of us making the playoffs increase far greater than our odds of hitting on that late round pick.

But darn, we miss out on Greg Sutch and Cedrick Henley. DRATS!!!!!

weren't you talking about things being "fair" or bad comparisons earlier? Yet adding whether a player ever played in the playoffs is a fair add to a comparison???

Yes, Hainsey is the only reason any team he ever played for never made the playoffs. He must be worlds worse than Kulikov and the stud that is Franson
- stashu

Edit I dont believe that was me.
I said it wasnt fair to ask the question of what was offered for those players.

Teams all the time talk about adding playoff experience at the deadline.

That still fails the older and less points than Franson argument.