How are people drawing that conclusion?

He said it like "It's not like we went and got drunk for 3 days. We worked."
- Wetbandit1

It was more in the subtlety of how he said it. He said the coaching staff didn't go out and drink for 3 days, then placed the blame squarely on the team for not being there mentally or physically, despite having an excellent practice and game-plan. Why even mention drinking if he wasn't implying something?

He was.

speaking of farm, TDL is a nice distraction from the fact that it looks as though the sabres AHL team may move.
- Sabresfan-365

Rochester might move? Where's this coming from?

Rochester might move? Where's this coming from?
- BeadyEyedDouche

Article out about them wanting to find a permanent home for the Amerks...didn't read it yet (fair warning).

https://buffalonews.com/2...ng-long-term-home-amerks/

I don't get these statements about GMTM being pissed or on the verge of tears at all...

My god, people have no social intelligence if they think this crap.

Classic Tim Murray presser. The guy tells it like it is, is slightly awkward at the podium and makes it quick and easy for him and the press.

He said some things I don't agree with and dropped some subtle hints. People will interpret this multiple ways but no way was this guy a mess, on the verge of tears or pissed. Agitated, maybe. Certainly disappointed. But seriously, lol.
- BeadyEyedDouche

That was my read as well. Agitated fits perfectly. Like I said before. Just looks like he's had a long few days and things didn't quite go his way today.

Article out about them wanting to find a permanent home for the Amerks...didn't read it yet (fair warning).
- RhinoFan

The Amerks ain't goin' nowhere

-Terry Pegula

I told you that TM ruined the rebuild. You all attacked me.
I told you that Bylsma was overworking O'Reilly and he would wear down. Again, you all attacked me.
I told you that O'Reilly wasn't a leader. I was attacked.
I told you to bet Denver and the under in the last superbolw. I was attacked, and banned for 9 months from stash for gloating about it. (He must have lost a lot of money)
I told you Kane would make the news again in a few months. I was right.
I told you last year that Bylsma and his system was a problem. To be fair I wasn't criticised nearly as much for that, but many of you chose to blame the players i.e. Girgensons instead.

The way Tim Murray handled the rebuild was flawwed. He rushed to make trades when the team wasn't ready to be good. He threw away assets to facilitate trades for players who will be past their primes or no longer here by the time the team is ready to compete. Tim Murray is a terrible evaluator of defensemen which is proven by his terrible McNabb and Pysyk trades and the fact that he did nothing to address our defense last off-season when the glaring need was evident.

Kane will not resign here, doubt me all you want, my track record speaks for itself. His style of play leads to injury and we took a huge chance of getting no return by not moving him now. If he gets injured next year close to the deadline, we will be looking at Bogosian as the return for Myers, Stafford, Armia, Lemieux and a first round pick. Furthermore, Kane is not the type of player who will stay productive as he ages, once he loses a step his effectiveness will plummet. He will demand a lot of money at the longest term possible, and we shouldn't be looking to keep him at those terms. Once he reaches 28 or 29 he will be an ineffective has been. TM talked today about the possibility of wanting to extend him next year. You should all be very afraid.

The problem with this hockey team starts with the owner. He doesn't know sports and he isn't very smart. If he ever manages to get a good GM it will be by luck or by accident. He made a fortune by nefarious means and then wanted a couple of sports franchises to play around with when he had no experience in the professional sports world, no networking, no knowledge. We all pay the price as the dysfunction abounds with both teams.

You all like the GM because he drinks too much, plays video games, and is a wiener with no social grace. I am happy for you that you have one of your own running the show, but it should be evident at this point that he is not a great evaluator of talent, he underestimates the value of character and he overestimated his own ability and intelligence. His plan was flawwed, he went all in on his first hand dealt, and has not met his own expectations nor the most modest of other's.

I don't know how you all cope with Buffalo sports. I know you care very much which is why you continue to put blind faith into every new chapter of this horror story. You manage to put your hope in the next good prospect curing all the problems of this flawed situation. The next defensive prospect will fill the hole and solve the problems in our zone. The next forward prospect will fill in the top six and take this team over the hump. This has been the blind faith that has kept you all going for ages.

The truth is, despite what TM says, we do not have many good prospects, the cupboards are pretty bare. We have a terrible defense that needs a complete overhaul. Even with our young players reaching their prime, this isn't a team that can win a playoff series. It will be a long time until we are a true competitor. We just need too much and will be losing pieces along the way. We went from having one of the best prospect polls in the NHL, stacked at D, and traded that in for a few good players that will be past their prime or gone by the time the kids grow up and a suspect defense with more holes than can be reasonable filled in upcoming years with the one good prospect we have.

Darcy Regeir talked about suffering and got booed out of town for it. Well, I hope you are all happy, because the true suffering is just beginning. We are in for many more years of frustration and we don't have the ownership or management that is capable or willing to do anything about it.

The Amerks ain't goin' nowhere

-Terry Pegula
- BeadyEyedDouche

I did not inhale

-Bill Clinton


Sometimes things change

That was my read as well. Agitated fits perfectly. Like I said before. Just looks like he's had a long few days and things didn't quite go his way today.
- Wetbandit1

Completely a side note, but it's good that you can disagree with someone, not be a Richard and only seconds later, also agree with them. Kudos. On top of that you try to actually form coherent arguments and back them up with logic.

There's a few of us here who can do this. Most act like children about it.

I mean. This is a discussion board, after-all. If we all agreed with each other all the time, it would be ridiculous. Some just don't like hearing it told like it is.

Are you kidding me?

The (good) players on the team look like they can't wait until they can outta dodge.

Buffalo is a great destination if you are a middling player looking to get big bucks (Leino, Rehger, Bogosian, Moulson, Okposo, O'Reilly). Alright, so the last 2 are a little better than middling, but they are ONLY coming to Buffalo because the Sabres are OVERpaying them. We will NEVER sign a good UFA at fair market value, because they will always have a better option.

You watch. Eichel is going to pull the chute on Buffalo as soon as he is able.
- Losman

Okposo would have gotten that money from plenty of teams he picked here

No way is a system that's composed of break-out passes and dump and chase too complex for anyone. This is a high school-level system. Why do I keep hearing he has a complex system, not directing this at you.

Bylsma himself says most systems in the league are pretty much the same.

Um. No.

And if they are, why does his suck so much? If they're all the same, and a lot seem to agree, why are our players too dumb for it?

Makes zero sense.


Edit: I agree though about ROR. No reason for him to be playing 25 minutes a night.
- BeadyEyedDouche

It's hard on defensemen. Ben Lovejoy ripped him when he was dealt from Pittsburgh.

http://triblive.com/sport...ovejoy-pittsburgh-anaheim

I told you that TM ruined the rebuild. You all attacked me.
I told you that Bylsma was overworking O'Reilly and he would wear down. Again, you all attacked me.
I told you that O'Reilly wasn't a leader. I was attacked.
I told you to bet Denver and the under in the last superbolw. I was attacked, and banned for 9 months from stash for gloating about it. (He must have lost a lot of money)
I told you Kane would make the news again in a few months. I was right.
I told you last year that Bylsma and his system was a problem. To be fair I wasn't criticised nearly as much for that, but many of you chose to blame the players i.e. Girgensons instead.

The way Tim Murray handled the rebuild was flawwed. He rushed to make trades when the team wasn't ready to be good. He threw away assets to facilitate trades for players who will be past their primes or no longer here by the time the team is ready to compete. Tim Murray is a terrible evaluator of defensemen which is proven by his terrible McNabb and Pysyk trades and the fact that he did nothing to address our defense last off-season when the glaring need was evident.

Kane will not resign here, doubt me all you want, my track record speaks for itself. His style of play leads to injury and we took a huge chance of getting no return by not moving him now. If he gets injured next year close to the deadline, we will be looking at Bogosian as the return for Myers, Stafford, Armia, Lemieux and a first round pick. Furthermore, Kane is not the type of player who will stay productive as he ages, once he loses a step his effectiveness will plummet. He will demand a lot of money at the longest term possible, and we shouldn't be looking to keep him at those terms. Once he reaches 28 or 29 he will be an ineffective has been. TM talked today about the possibility of wanting to extend him next year. You should all be very afraid.

The problem with this hockey team starts with the owner. He doesn't know sports and he isn't very smart. If he ever manages to get a good GM it will be by luck or by accident. He made a fortune by nefarious means and then wanted a couple of sports franchises to play around with when he had no experience in the professional sports world, no networking, no knowledge. We all pay the price as the dysfunction abounds with both teams.

You all like the GM because he drinks too much, plays video games, and is a wiener with no social grace. I am happy for you that you have one of your own running the show, but it should be evident at this point that he is not a great evaluator of talent, he underestimates the value of character and he overestimated his own ability and intelligence. His plan was flawwed, he went all in on his first hand dealt, and has not met his own expectations nor the most modest of other's.

I don't know how you all cope with Buffalo sports. I know you care very much which is why you continue to put blind faith into every new chapter of this horror story. You manage to put your hope in the next good prospect curing all the problems of this flawed situation. The next defensive prospect will fill the hole and solve the problems in our zone. The next forward prospect will fill in the top six and take this team over the hump. This has been the blind faith that has kept you all going for ages.

The truth is, despite what TM says, we do not have many good prospects, the cupboards are pretty bare. We have a terrible defense that needs a complete overhaul. Even with our young players reaching their prime, this isn't a team that can win a playoff series. It will be a long time until we are a true competitor. We just need too much and will be losing pieces along the way. We went from having one of the best prospect polls in the NHL, stacked at D, and traded that in for a few good players that will be past their prime or gone by the time the kids grow up and a suspect defense with more holes than can be reasonable filled in upcoming years with the one good prospect we have.

Darcy Regeir talked about suffering and got booed out of town for it. Well, I hope you are all happy, because the true suffering is just beginning. We are in for many more years of frustration and we don't have the ownership or management that is capable or willing to do anything about it.
- SabresPanacea

Fantastic post. I'm saving this before it gets deleted.

Telling it like it is. We all get banned for this, but I hope you stick around because we're trying to filter out exactly the people you're talking about.

I honestly was wondering what happened to you. A 9 month ban, poop man. That's ridiculous.

I was expecting some kind of bullocks in this post seeing it's length but you're spot on.

Article out about them wanting to find a permanent home for the Amerks...didn't read it yet (fair warning).

https://buffalonews.com/2...ng-long-term-home-amerks/
- RhinoFan

This is a headline that doesn't summarize what the article actually says.

This has been going on for a while now, and a little blurb this size is just the most recent shot in a long standing feud.

The City of Rochester, which owns the Blue Cross Arena, has a $10Million grant to upgrade the facility. PSE is pushing to have that $10Million to spent as it wants, rather than to upgrade some of the features that aren't related to hockey.

Seeing as the grant was awarded like 18 months ago and the Amerks are still in Rochester, I wouldn't put too much weight into the thing.

Completely a side note, but it's good that you can disagree with someone, not be a Richard and only seconds later, also agree with them. Kudos. On top of that you try to actually form coherent arguments and back them up with logic.

There's a few of us here who can do this. Most act like children about it.

I mean. This is a discussion board, after-all. If we all agreed with each other all the time, it would be ridiculous. Some just don't like hearing it told like it is.


- BeadyEyedDouche

Wait, you're supposed to either agree or disagree 100% with someone? poop. I had it all wrong!

Wait, you're supposed to either agree or disagree 100% with someone? poop. I had it all wrong!
- Wetbandit1

yeah man, I'm reporting you now

I told you that TM ruined the rebuild. You all attacked me.
I told you that Bylsma was overworking O'Reilly and he would wear down. Again, you all attacked me.
I told you that O'Reilly wasn't a leader. I was attacked.
I told you to bet Denver and the under in the last superbolw. I was attacked, and banned for 9 months from stash for gloating about it. (He must have lost a lot of money)
I told you Kane would make the news again in a few months. I was right.
I told you last year that Bylsma and his system was a problem. To be fair I wasn't criticised nearly as much for that, but many of you chose to blame the players i.e. Girgensons instead.

The way Tim Murray handled the rebuild was flawwed. He rushed to make trades when the team wasn't ready to be good. He threw away assets to facilitate trades for players who will be past their primes or no longer here by the time the team is ready to compete. Tim Murray is a terrible evaluator of defensemen which is proven by his terrible McNabb and Pysyk trades and the fact that he did nothing to address our defense last off-season when the glaring need was evident.

Kane will not resign here, doubt me all you want, my track record speaks for itself. His style of play leads to injury and we took a huge chance of getting no return by not moving him now. If he gets injured next year close to the deadline, we will be looking at Bogosian as the return for Myers, Stafford, Armia, Lemieux and a first round pick. Furthermore, Kane is not the type of player who will stay productive as he ages, once he loses a step his effectiveness will plummet. He will demand a lot of money at the longest term possible, and we shouldn't be looking to keep him at those terms. Once he reaches 28 or 29 he will be an ineffective has been. TM talked today about the possibility of wanting to extend him next year. You should all be very afraid.

The problem with this hockey team starts with the owner. He doesn't know sports and he isn't very smart. If he ever manages to get a good GM it will be by luck or by accident. He made a fortune by nefarious means and then wanted a couple of sports franchises to play around with when he had no experience in the professional sports world, no networking, no knowledge. We all pay the price as the dysfunction abounds with both teams.

You all like the GM because he drinks too much, plays video games, and is a wiener with no social grace. I am happy for you that you have one of your own running the show, but it should be evident at this point that he is not a great evaluator of talent, he underestimates the value of character and he overestimated his own ability and intelligence. His plan was flawwed, he went all in on his first hand dealt, and has not met his own expectations nor the most modest of other's.

I don't know how you all cope with Buffalo sports. I know you care very much which is why you continue to put blind faith into every new chapter of this horror story. You manage to put your hope in the next good prospect curing all the problems of this flawed situation. The next defensive prospect will fill the hole and solve the problems in our zone. The next forward prospect will fill in the top six and take this team over the hump. This has been the blind faith that has kept you all going for ages.

The truth is, despite what TM says, we do not have many good prospects, the cupboards are pretty bare. We have a terrible defense that needs a complete overhaul. Even with our young players reaching their prime, this isn't a team that can win a playoff series. It will be a long time until we are a true competitor. We just need too much and will be losing pieces along the way. We went from having one of the best prospect polls in the NHL, stacked at D, and traded that in for a few good players that will be past their prime or gone by the time the kids grow up and a suspect defense with more holes than can be reasonable filled in upcoming years with the one good prospect we have.

Darcy Regeir talked about suffering and got booed out of town for it. Well, I hope you are all happy, because the true suffering is just beginning. We are in for many more years of frustration and we don't have the ownership or management that is capable or willing to do anything about it.
- SabresPanacea

I agree with a lot here, not all, but a lot.

I agree with a lot here, not all, but a lot.
- sskkoo1

I liked this one the best:

The problem with this hockey team starts with the owner. He doesn't know sports and he isn't very smart. If he ever manages to get a good GM it will be by luck or by accident. He made a fortune by nefarious means and then wanted a couple of sports franchises to play around with when he had no experience in the professional sports world, no networking, no knowledge. We all pay the price as the dysfunction abounds with both teams.

Mainly because I've been banging this drum since his first full season running the Sabres. I get banned every time I say something about T-Pegs' mentality, though.

And absolutely, the denizens of Buffalo worship that kind of guy.

I liked this one the best:



Mainly because I've been banging this drum since his first full season running the Sabres. I get banned every time I say something about T-Pegs' mentality, though.

And absolutely, the denizens of Buffalo worship that kind of guy.
- BeadyEyedDouche

See, I don't agree with that. I get that nobody likes the pollution that the oil and gas industry creates, but we all use it everyday. T-Peg would have never made a fortune if we didn't create the market. I can't blame the guy for making money.

I mean... None of our sports teams have really ever done poop-all except the Bills winning a couple AFL championships back in the late 60's and our Lacrosse team that no one cares about because... Lacrosse.

Oh we had some good to great to possibly GOAT players (Hasek is the only GOAT we've had play for a Buffalo team, MAYBE Bruce Smith). But no championships to show.

The Islanders did it in the 80's 4 years in a row with no "star" players.

Sorry, I would like to see a championship before I die. Most likely won't happen. There's a reason a defeatist attitude permeates Buffalo sports culture. It's trash.
- BeadyEyedDouche

It also hurts that we only have 2 major league teams. If Cleveland, Phoenix and Miami(Marlins a few times and a joke in between) can do it, so can Buffalo. Also the Cubs and Red Sox give me hope.

And the Isles had Bossy, Gillies, Potvin, Trottier, and Smith. 5 Hall of Famers. I would say they were bonafide stars.

Could be a three point night

Hurricanes versus Tampa Bay 3-3

Tank on

See, I don't agree with that. I get that nobody likes the pollution that the oil and gas industry creates, but we all use it everyday. T-Peg would have never made a fortune if we didn't create the market. I can't blame the guy for making money.
- sskkoo1

Exactly. The American Dream at its finest. Why are they not pissed at athletes for making obscene money for playing kid's games? And I don't understand the notion that he's somehow dumb either. It makes no sense. He's an engineer. They're not known for being dummies.

See, I don't agree with that. I get that nobody likes the pollution that the oil and gas industry creates, but we all use it everyday. T-Peg would have never made a fortune if we didn't create the market. I can't blame the guy for making money.
- sskkoo1

See, that's fine that we disagree but that 'market' was another profit booning industry that absolutely devastates the towns that it sets up in. There's a 10-year shelf-life in any place fracking sets up, and they build up strip malls and chain-restaurants and hotels that all close and leave when the industry does. It's absolutely terrible for the environment and there are cheaper, better, greener investments that pay off more over a longer period.

Ask Elon Musk.

I liked this one the best:

Mainly because I've been banging this drum since his first full season running the Sabres. I get banned every time I say something about T-Pegs' mentality, though.

And absolutely, the denizens of Buffalo worship that kind of guy.
- BeadyEyedDouche

All I'll say to this, which I'll nicely call nonsense, is if the massive clown who owns the Bruins can win a cup, Pegula sure can.

Exactly. The American Dream at its finest. Why are they not pissed at athletes for making obscene money for playing kid's games? And I don't understand the notion that he's somehow dumb either. It makes no sense. He's an engineer. They're not known for being dummies.
- Wetbandit1

The American Dream is a farce for anyone not affluent in the first place. They have the option to invest in better alternatives and they don't.

These teams in Buffalo now are cursed by dirty money.

The American Dream is a farce for anyone not affluent in the first place. They have the option to invest in better alternatives and they don't.

These teams in Buffalo now are cursed by dirty money.
- BeadyEyedDouche

Out of curiosity, what size tin foil hat do you wear?

See, that's fine that we disagree but that 'market' was another profit booning industry that absolutely devastates the towns that it sets up in. There's a 10-year shelf-life in any place fracking sets up, and they build up strip malls and chain-restaurants and hotels that all close and leave when the industry does. It's absolutely terrible for the environment and there are cheaper, better, greener investments that pay off more over a longer period.

Ask Elon Musk.
- BeadyEyedDouche

Not to get off the subject at hand, but what are the greener methods that could be implemented in such a large scale and cost effective that it would make natural gas production obsolete?