2017 calder

laine
56 gp
31 goals 25 helpers 56 points +9


mathews
62 gp
31 goals 24 helpers 55 points +3



they have to give it to laine right?
- homiedclown

but...but.....the center of the hockey universe

They are 6 points better than last year through 63gp.

They were 25-31-7 through 63 games (57 points).
- dadeadhead

I get that

they are 1 point over .500 now

they ended up .500 last year


I doubt they go on a run the next 19 games to wow us

The process of bottoming out and rebuilding works, however GMTM may have sold too many draft picks for the assets we acquired.

We're on the Edmonton timeline now. Not as bad as them, but we'll always be no higher than ranked 20th out of 30 teams at this rate.

So we kind of shot ourselves in the foot. We would have been better to bottom out and get the higher picks. So we're basically back where we started but worse...
- mattsox

And they got an easy bail out with McDavid like the Pens did with Crosby

I see we're all playing nice in the sandbox today.



and the only backreading I did was this page.
- HonkFortheGoose

but...but.....the center of the hockey universe
- feetontheair22

And even though playoffs are not supposed to influence the voting they will if with one makes it and has an impact in the playoffs

if we lose today and fall below .500 that will be with

kane playing like a top 5 on 5 winger in the nhl
risto improving to a 45-50 point player
okposo chipping in around 25 goals
eichel becoming closer to a ppg player
lehner starting over 50 games and posting decent numbers



jesus christ

sabres +/- leaders

bailey +5
moulson +3

if we lose today and fall below .500 that will be with

kane playing like a top 5 on 5 winger in the nhl
risto improving to a 45-50 point player
okposo chipping in around 25 goals
eichel becoming closer to a ppg player
lehner starting over 50 games and posting decent numbers



jesus christ
- homiedclown

shows us how crappy we are in the other important areas of the game i.e. defense, coaching...

if we lose today and fall below .500 that will be with

kane playing like a top 5 on 5 winger in the nhl
risto improving to a 45-50 point player
okposo chipping in around 25 goals
eichel becoming closer to a ppg player
lehner starting over 50 games and posting decent numbers



jesus christ
- homiedclown

I don't think he can help either

I get that

they are 1 point over .500 now

they ended up .500 last year


I doubt they go on a run the next 19 games to wow us
- homiedclown

Nope but also nothing surprises me anymore.

I can see them getting mad and ripping off 27 points in the next 19 games to put them at 90 points (AKA 3 points out of the playoffs).

Then we'll hear "Well had Jack played the 1st 20 games we would've made it. So, we're close."

I don't think he can help either
- SABRES 89

OH MY

Being insufferable is a way of life for some here. Their opinion matters the most because they are "right", making one "wrong" if they disagree with them. Self-importance at an elevated level. internet tough guys spending all their waking hours shouting at everybody about how smart and incredible they are versus your inferiority is akin to people who think they're "better" than you because of the car they drive or the clothes they wear or the wine they drink. it's the nouveaux riches of the internet world.
i.e.- the powerhouse Islanders of the 80s had no real "stars". (because I say so, even if you can prove me wrong 10,396 ways).
- Khmylev

Nope but also nothing surprises me anymore.

I can see them getting mad and ripping off 27 points in the next 19 games to put them at 90 points (AKA 3 points out of the playoffs).

Then we'll hear "Well had Jack played the 1st 20 games we would've made it. So, we're close."
- dadeadhead

is ror a 7 million dollar a year player?



serious question, not meant to start a pissing contest

"Well had Jack played the 1st 20 games we would've made it. So, we're close."
- dadeadhead

Nope but also nothing surprises me anymore.

I can see them getting mad and ripping off 27 points in the next 19 games to put them at 90 points (AKA 3 points out of the playoffs).

Then we'll hear "Well had Jack played the 1st 20 games we would've made it. So, we're close."
- dadeadhead

Blah blah injuries blah blah dumb players blah blah puck luck blah blah impatient fans


I think that about sums up the excuse list we'll hear from the Sabres and on WGR

if we lose today and fall below .500 that will be with

kane playing like a top 5 on 5 winger in the nhl
risto improving to a 45-50 point player
okposo chipping in around 25 goals
eichel becoming closer to a ppg player
lehner starting over 50 games and posting decent numbers



jesus christ
- homiedclown

16th in GA last year...

is ror a 7 million dollar a year player?



serious question, not meant to start a pissing contest
- homiedclown

my hot take is yes, even with the decline in production.

is ror a 7 million dollar a year player?



serious question, not meant to start a pissing contest
- homiedclown

I don't think so. We are basically paying 2.5 million a year for intangibles. I still want him on this team.

is ror a 7 million dollar a year player?



serious question, not meant to start a pissing contest
- homiedclown

Nope but 7 mil has become the 5mil of the past.

I get that

they are 1 point over .500 now

they ended up .500 last year


I doubt they go on a run the next 19 games to wow us
- homiedclown

They went on a 10-5-4 run to end the year last year BTW.

Nope but 7 mil has become the 5mil of the past.
- dadeadhead

This is exactly the point.

Nope but 7 mil has become the 5mil of the past.
- dadeadhead

Yup. And no matter what, he was going to get it from someone. I think he brings a lot to the table, but would be nice to have his production be a bit higher.

If they could fix the PK, we'd probably be in a better position. I don't understand why it's been so bad this year. (Well, I do to a point, the defense is awful). Having one of the top PPs doesn't do much for you when you have one of the bottom PKs. They basically negate each other.

if we lose today and fall below .500 that will be with

kane playing like a top 5 on 5 winger in the nhl
risto improving to a 45-50 point player
okposo chipping in around 25 goals
eichel becoming closer to a ppg player
lehner starting over 50 games and posting decent numbers

jesus christ
- homiedclown

This further emphasizes the dead weight problem, which ties mostly to the defense.

How much, if any, of the dead weight they can get rid of, will directly tie to their chances of success next year.

Not that I think Franson is dead weight nearly as much as Kulikov, but those 2 not returning is a nice start. Add in even one of Ennis (sad to say as I liked him as a player), Bogo, or Moulson and you are 50% of the way there.

I left Gorges off the dead weight list because I think he is fine for one more year as the 6 or 7 D man at just under $4M. Not ideal, I understand, but for one year, it's doable.

Yup. And no matter what, he was going to get it from someone. I think he brings a lot to the table, but would be nice to have his production be a bit higher.

If they could fix the PK, we'd probably be in a better position. I don't understand why it's been so bad this year. (Well, I do to a point, the defense is awful). Having one of the top PPs doesn't do much for you when you have one of the bottom PKs. They basically negate each other.
- HonkFortheGoose

Also, on the number 1 center point somebody made earlier, he was brought in to be the temporary number 1 until Eichel was ready.

It's up to the damn coach to realize it is time for Eichel to be the number 1, despite his age and inexperience.

This is exactly the point.
- kingcong39

Pominville's last two contracts 10 years 54.5 mil.

If he were ROR age, he'd be in the 7 mil range.

Unfortunately it's the way the sports world works.