Hockey talk?

Boooooooooring.
- Whiskey-Tango

It's funny. I went into the BEST/WORST GM's poll thread at the top of the page, totally expecting Benning to be number 1 as the worst by every other fan club, but for the most part he isn't even mentioned. In fact, he has been praised regarding his work at the last TDL. Goes to show, all you have to do is fleece a couple teams on some trades and you are suddenly a genius

Wrong about finding it ironic that people are freaking out about Willie after winning 2 back to back games on the road?
- Marwood

lol and in California to boot. WD has no contract extension so he will do whatever is necessary to pad his resume' with wins...can't blame him for that.

It's funny. I went into the BEST/WORST GM's poll thread at the top of the page, totally expecting Benning to be number 1 as the worst by every other fan club, but for the most part he isn't even mentioned. In fact, he has been praised regarding his work at the last TDL. Goes to show, all you have to do is fleece a couple teams on some trades and you are suddenly a genius
- Codes1087

Who was the worst? Sakic? Sweeney? Snow? Dorion? Cheveldayoff?

Would make for an interesting debate.

It's funny. I went into the BEST/WORST GM's poll thread at the top of the page, totally expecting Benning to be number 1 as the worst by every other fan club, but for the most part he isn't even mentioned. In fact, he has been praised regarding his work at the last TDL. Goes to show, all you have to do is fleece a couple teams on some trades and you are suddenly a genius
- Codes1087

There are some bad bad GM's and I dont think Benning is close to being the worst. Some of those long time bottom feeders are more than deserving of being the worst.

Equally on the Best GM side, a lot of love for GM's that inherited fantastic rosters and assets. For me, Poile and Holland (despite this down year) are the best based on longevity of success and being responsible for every player in their systems. A few others are getting up there but those two are definitely among the best

Who was the worst? Sakic? Sweeney? Snow? Dorion? Cheveldayoff?

Would make for an interesting debate.
- CanuckDon

you gotta go Sakic. What a sh1tshow.
lost O'Reily, Stastny for nothing (i think).
terrible goaltending.
has duchene and Landy on the trade block all year and then does nothing with em.

terrible season.
terrible moral.
terrible team.

Who was the worst? Sakic? Sweeney? Snow? Dorion? Cheveldayoff?

Would make for an interesting debate.
- CanuckDon

There was lots of hate for Murray, Chiarelli, Sakic.

I would probably say Sakic though, they are essentially the Oilers through the Lowe/Tambellini/MacT era now. Couple really good young top players and nothing else (though they actually managed to get a goalie). They cant expect a McJesus to drop into their laps, pull the trigger on some deals and set a foundation

Who was the worst? Sakic? Sweeney? Snow? Dorion? Cheveldayoff?

Would make for an interesting debate.
- CanuckDon

the above that you mentioned are the consensus I believe.

A ton of hate for Doug Armstrong as well.

I didn't see much hate for Cheveldayoff but more so Chirelli.

There are some bad bad GM's and I dont think Benning is close to being the worst. Some of those long time bottom feeders are more than deserving of being the worst.

Equally on the Best GM side, a lot of love for GM's that inherited fantastic rosters and assets. For me, Poile and Holland (despite this down year) are the best based on longevity of success and being responsible for every player in their systems. A few others are getting up there but those two are definitely among the best
- WhiteLie

Stevie Y has impressed me as a savvy GM.
Just makes great moves, doesn't seem to get rattled.
super consistent.

the above that you mentioned are the consensus I believe.

A ton of hate for Doug Armstrong as well.

I didn't see much hate for Cheveldayoff but more so Chirelli.
- Codes1087

Really?
i don't follow the Oil at all, but i thought he was largely responsible for turning that ship around...him and some guy called Connor.

you gotta go Sakic. What a sh1tshow.
lost O'Reily, Stastny for nothing (i think).
terrible goaltending.
has duchene and Landy on the trade block all year and then does nothing with em.

terrible season.
terrible moral.
terrible team.
- dbot

I think Doug Armstrong is one of the worst IMO.

Lost out on Backes/Brouwer/Oshie for nothing..
Sent Stewart and Halak and a 1st for Miller and Ott.
Sent out Shattenkirk for less of a haul than Hanzal.
Gotta think he ranks up there too.

you gotta go Sakic. What a sh1tshow.
lost O'Reily, Stastny for nothing (i think).
terrible goaltending.
has duchene and Landy on the trade block all year and then does nothing with em.

terrible season.
terrible moral.
terrible team.
- dbot

I agree. Sakic is a brutal GM. It's a shame because he was one of my favourite players

Really?
i don't follow the Oil at all, but i thought he was largely responsible for turning that ship around...him and some guy called Connor.
- dbot

I think Connor and Draisaitl have done more for the turnaround than what Chiarelli has.

There was lots of hate for Murray, Chiarelli, Sakic.

I would probably say Sakic though, they are essentially the Oilers through the Lowe/Tambellini/MacT era now. Couple really good young top players and nothing else (though they actually managed to get a goalie). They cant expect a McJesus to drop into their laps, pull the trigger on some deals and set a foundation
- WhiteLie

Sakic is the consensus worst GM I think. Surprised with the Murray hate. Chiarelli is average I think. Obviously the Hall trade was bad.

Stevie Y has impressed me as a savvy GM.
Just makes great moves, doesn't seem to get rattled.
super consistent.
- dbot

I like the moves he has made too, but he has also made quite a few errors in handling his players. I like him, Wilson in SJ, Fletcher in Min, Armstrong in STL. Bowman is one I think has done a really good job managing the cap, but hard to judge him when he inherited his core and had some good prospects with which to deal from

I also think Francis in Carolina will be there soon depending on how he manages the growth of his young players

I think Doug Armstrong is one of the worst IMO.

Lost out on Backes/Brouwer/Oshie for nothing..
Sent Stewart and Halak and a 1st for Miller and Ott.
Sent out Shattenkirk for less of a haul than Hanzal.
Gotta think he ranks up there too.
- Codes1087

True.
Good point.

i don't have a problem for him trading in some assets to make a run at the cup (will miller/ott trade), but it does look like lost potential.

There are some bad bad GM's and I dont think Benning is close to being the worst. Some of those long time bottom feeders are more than deserving of being the worst.

Equally on the Best GM side, a lot of love for GM's that inherited fantastic rosters and assets. For me, Poile and Holland (despite this down year) are the best based on longevity of success and being responsible for every player in their systems. A few others are getting up there but those two are definitely among the best
- WhiteLie

Yup always seems to be the case. Benning was rated worst GM at start of season. Mostly because the direction of club was maligned. Now JB might have his best asset to date as Bo who he inherited lol.

Let's see what BB, OJ and any others bring. Tree and Stecher plus Sven and Granlund may add to his profile. Goldy and Dahlen too.

You are right how fast attitudes can turn around once when pieces and identity come to light.

Really?
i don't follow the Oil at all, but i thought he was largely responsible for turning that ship around...him and some guy called Connor.
- dbot

Without Connor, they would be at the bottom. His moves have helped but not much, especially when you factor in that Hall trade too

I agree. Sakic is a brutal GM. It's a shame because he was one of my favourite players
- CanuckDon

Same.
I've always rooted for Burnaby Joe.
I wouldn't be surprised to see him canned this year.

Without Connor, they would be at the bottom. His moves have helped but not much, especially when you factor in that Hall trade too
- WhiteLie

They would be better off with Hall and Mcdavid than McDavid and Larsen. But meh, that's just my opinion.

Sakic is the consensus worst GM I think. Surprised with the Murray hate. Chiarelli is average I think. Obviously the Hall trade was bad.
- CanuckDon

Same, I thought he did a pretty good job taking all those assets he tanked for and turned them into a decent lineup with potential. I do appreciate a GM that has the guts to make deals though, going for Kane, O'reilly, etc. to speed up his rebuild rather than ride it out

I like the moves he has made too, but he has also made quite a few errors in handling his players. I like him, Wilson in SJ, Fletcher in Min, Armstrong in STL. Bowman is one I think has done a really good job managing the cap, but hard to judge him when he inherited his core and had some good prospects with which to deal from

I also think Francis in Carolina will be there soon depending on how he manages the growth of his young players
- WhiteLie

yeah. Fletcher has done incredibly well at turning that roster around, some risky long term signings with Parise/Suter, but that has worked out well so far. Great prospects too.

What were the errors with Stevie Y in TBL in your opinion?

They would be better off with Hall and Mcdavid than McDavid and Larsen. But meh, that's just my opinion.
- Codes1087

That's hard to say.

i think it was a brutal trade, but Larson has definitely helped stabilize that back end.
Hall would be good for 25g, but then probably be injured for half the year and pouting that he wasn't the go to guy.

I agree. Sakic is a brutal GM. It's a shame because he was one of my favourite players
- CanuckDon

Yup i agree, Paul Kariya is my all time favorite but back in that era i like Sakic alot to, when they were on the same team if it wasnt for injuries what a force. Moral of the story its unfortunate watching him fail now

yeah. Fletcher has done incredibly well at turning that roster around, some risky long term signings with Parise/Suter, but that has worked out well so far. Great prospects too.

What were the errors with Stevie Y in TBL in your opinion?
- dbot

Yeah I thought Parise/Suter would hurt them but they have done well. A bit lucky finding Dubnyk but they always had good goaltending

How he handled St. Louis, Drouin, and I think some of his contracts were not great (but everyone makes those).

He hasnt done a lot wrong, but I think his interior housekeeping can be better. I do really like his toughness though, he moves on from players when he has to

Same, I thought he did a pretty good job taking all those assets he tanked for and turned them into a decent lineup with potential. I do appreciate a GM that has the guts to make deals though, going for Kane, O'reilly, etc. to speed up his rebuild rather than ride it out
- WhiteLie

Wait...which Murray are we talking about I immediately thought Bob Murray not Tim. Bob is good, Tim is mixed.