They get deleted.
- Marwood

I thought Makita was reasonable.

elite talent is not always cup-winning talent, i would prefer to win cups
- onesmallleap

I agree. Building a cup winner is much more than tanking & being a crap team thinkings its so simplistic.

You'll have to buy a lot Lotto Max chances are 0.0000034924% so really, 20% doesn't look so bad now doest it lol.
- LeftCoaster

Again with this science stuff ... don't anyone believe in tea leaves anymore?

Won't know until later. That Timothy Liljegren would look pretty good beside Juolevi though. He won't be there after 6th.
- LeftCoaster

Well I have to admit it is a little odd that you are beating the drum hard to finish last but don't know if there is truly a generational player like McDavid Stamkos Crosby.

Liljegren is not worth tanking for. There is no McDavid or Laine this year. If liljegren was a superstar don't you think Colorado would grab him at number one?

that is funny I was wondering before if Lefty bought 50 dollars a week in lottery tickets
- VANTEL

If someone gave me 10 to 20% odds you're (frank)in rights I'd be buying thousands of dollars worth.

They were stupid to keep the pick & not trade & draft D
- Nighthawk

wasn't Gostisbehere 3rd rnd? so a better player for the future of the team could have been picked with a higher pick? so why tank? you can , with proper scouting and vision , build a team thru later picks

I don't think you need two stud d like that. Hasn't really worked for Nashville having josi and Subban. I'd rather take a forward at that spot this year.
- Scooby_Doo

IMO Subban is no stud & Weber was.
Poile has searched for years to build his top 6 & lacked the C's to do it.
I'd be the last person to knock Nashvilles way of doing business since day 1.

I missed the context, my bad fella's! I agree that is common sentiment around here
- neem55

It's ok, Neem.
You do get a little hysterical from time to time but you are a good poster.

Well I have to admit it is a little odd that you are beating the drum hard to finish last but don't know if there is truly a generational player like McDavid Stamkos Crosby.

Liljegren is not worth tanking for. There is no McDavid or Laine this year. If liljegren was a superstar don't you think Colorado would grab him at number one?
- VANTEL

There's isn't a generational guy, but that doest mean there isn't a really really good player. Tanking is already going on, sorry to disappoint you.

i think the reason is that, if we believe benning to be a good drafter, we should want him to have the earliest pick in every round (and multiple picks if possible) so that he can get the player he wants. regardless of what round, i want him to have the biggest selection possible so that some other gm doesn't get "lucky" and draft the guy jb wants.

this is in addition to the odds of finding an impact player being statistically higher (based on historical precedence) the higher the pick.
- RealityChecker

In certain years that high draft pick matters.

Benning even said a few weeks back we are confident we will get a very good draft pick within the top twenty.

This is a year to find a good piece of the puzzle not a franchise player

Won't know until later. That Timothy Liljegren would look pretty good beside Juolevi though. He won't be there after 6th.
- LeftCoaster

That's exactly right. You can't predict who the best player in the draft is, but you can put your team of scouts in the best position to be picking. I agree with Vantel and others that there is no slam dunk elite player, but having two picks in the first 45 gives us a pretty good chance of getting a foundational piece. A better chance than having two picks in the top 60, for example 15 and 47 are not as good as 5 and 36. I think we all agree this team needs a lot of pieces.
#top5pick

Well I have to admit it is a little odd that you are beating the drum hard to finish last but don't know if there is truly a generational player like McDavid Stamkos Crosby.

Liljegren is not worth tanking for. There is no McDavid or Laine this year. If liljegren was a superstar don't you think Colorado would grab him at number one?
- VANTEL

Well his blanket statements don't apply every draft do they?

Again with this science stuff ... don't anyone believe in tea leaves anymore?
- Garfield512

No...

elite talent is not always cup-winning talent but cup winning teams always have elite talent.

elite talent, statistically speaking, is usually found at the top of the draft.
- RealityChecker

Yeah, but Yakupov. Datsyuk.

I agree. Building a cup winner is much more than tanking & being a crap team thinkings its so simplistic.
- Nighthawk

can we all get off this notion that anyone is advocating only one thing or the other.

tankers don't say that all you have to do is draft!!! good drafting + good development + good coaching + good complementary players (through trades and free agent signings) = a good chance to becoming a legitimate contender.

i would just like the team to build a young core through the draft. while there are some decent pieces, the team is still multiple impact players away. in my view, the easiest (most probable statistically speaking) way (but certainly not the only way) is through the draft.

there is no one advocating a draft only model.

wasn't Gostisbehere 3rd rnd? so a better player for the future of the team could have been picked with a higher pick? so why tank? you can , with proper scouting and vision , build a team thru later picks
- onesmallleap

Offense galore but gets scratched cuz a big liability playing defence.
Btw Philly is not a contender nor even a PO team 😂😂

There's isn't a generational guy, but that doest mean there isn't a really really good player. Tanking is already going on, sorry to disappoint you.
- LeftCoaster

I can definitely see the tank . Nice job going from 28 to 24 in two days

It's ok, Neem.
You do get a little hysterical from time to time but you are a good poster.
- Marwood

Yeah, that's a pretty fair assessment. I try to be pretty consistent with my flavour of hysteria though

#top5pick

Yeah, but Yakupov. Datsyuk.
- CubanBuffet

well, thanks for blowing up my whole theory in 4 words! statistical anomalies always destroying my arguments!

There's isn't a generational guy, but that doest mean there isn't a really really good player. Tanking is already going on, sorry to disappoint you.
- LeftCoaster

So why this continuous on n on about high picks?
Apply some logic to the draft & see that picks r about talent a GM sees.
What pick or what round is nothing they care about when its the who they pick.

If Francesco does in fact interfere as much as some say, then Benning is a gutless puke for staying.....I'm not sure that's the case anymore though.
- LeftCoaster

The money is good.

Offense galore but gets scratched cuz a big liability playing defence.
Btw Philly is not a contender nor even a PO team 😂😂
- Nighthawk

what!!!...but but but ...Canucks fans were jumpin ship for Philly, why then??

so you're saying the Oilers got lucky with Yakupov or unlucky ?
- onesmallleap

They were definitely lucky, they didn't finish last but they still won the lottery. They could've picked any kid in the world, who they picked is inconsequential, the fact they could've picked anyone is the important part.

Now I know you're trying to be a smart ass but just because they're incompetent doest mean Benning should be too. Make a better choice.

well, thanks for blowing up my whole theory in 4 words! statistical anomalies always destroying my arguments!
- RealityChecker

It tells me that top picks are a crap shoot and superstars are in the later rounds. Bad luck or good luck be damned.