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Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Mar 6 @ 10:23 PM ET
I don't think Juolevi is that high-end D you need to win. If you do, well, much like Vantel, you're just wrong.
- LeftCoaster

Actually, your wrong. Eventually you could be right, but until he develops and plays a couple seasons, you don't know what he could be. The kids hockey IQ is through the roof. Players like that only get hindered by physical ability.
onesmallleap
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Be Calm n Swede On, BC
Joined: 09.23.2015

Mar 6 @ 10:24 PM ET
With all due respect, I'll stick to the evaluation of the scouts.
- neem55

dude ..i'm not saying he's a scout , but he has seen the player, and done some research so i'll listen to what he has to say and check it out
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Mar 6 @ 10:25 PM ET
Burrows 1 G 1 A . tonight. Good for him I wish him luck
- VANTEL

Ottawa playing well.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 6 @ 10:25 PM ET
But that's just it, those are three very different players with very different valuations. To expect the next guy down to 'clone' the pick ten before him is just not an accurate expectation. If we take Middlestadt or Lilgren, who are their "clones"?
- neem55



Cody Glass has the same frame and hard to get off the puck 27 G 58 Pts
onesmallleap
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Be Calm n Swede On, BC
Joined: 09.23.2015

Mar 6 @ 10:26 PM ET
I still don't trust the Canucks CHL scouts at all, I hope they draft more from Europe and the NCAA. The CHL track record is pathetic outside out of a couple of guys, and it's mostly the same scouts still employed.
- Nucker101
their WHL ones have miss the boat more then should be excepted
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Mar 6 @ 10:26 PM ET
i don't believe that.

i don't want jb to draft his 2nd or 3rd choice in a round.

also, here's the statistical breakdown of success broken down by draft position.

http://www.milehighhockey...5931789/draft-percentages

- RealityChecker



Is there a link to who r the GM's who draft?
Otherwise its only stats....
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Mar 6 @ 10:27 PM ET
I still don't trust the Canucks CHL scouts at all, I hope they draft more from Europe and the NCAA. The CHL track record is pathetic outside out of a couple of guys, and it's mostly the same scouts still employed.
- Nucker101

The 2014 first round left me sour on that note too.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Mar 6 @ 10:27 PM ET
their WHL ones have miss the boat more then should be excepted
- onesmallleap



The QMJHL and OHL ones aren't exactly lighting it up either. WHL is definitely the weakest link. NCAA and Euro scouts have found some decent players, mostly NCAA doe
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Mar 6 @ 10:27 PM ET
Cody Glass has the same frame and hard to get off the puck 27 G 58 Pts
- VANTEL


I was the 1st to mention Glass & since then he climbed the rankings a ton
TheTaoOfSemenko
Vegas Golden Knights
Joined: 07.01.2009

Mar 6 @ 10:27 PM ET
They were stupid to keep the pick & not trade & draft D
- Nighthawk

Interesting thought, although that year as I recall the only real debate was whether they should have taken Galch or not. Seems pretty clear now lol.

Who would you have traded that pick for?
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Mar 6 @ 10:28 PM ET
Benning is definitely more switched on when it comes to the draft than those two idiots.
- LeftCoaster

If you truly want to build through draft, why fire benning? his drafting doesn't look terrible.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Mar 6 @ 10:28 PM ET
The 2014 first round left me sour on that note too.
- LeftCoaster


Go full NCAA baby.

The Vancouver Kinda-Canucks
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Mar 6 @ 10:29 PM ET
I was the 1st to mention Glass & since then he climbed the rankings a ton
- Nighthawk



He's a good prospect, but not top 10 worthy from what I've seen.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Mar 6 @ 10:29 PM ET
Actually, your wrong. Eventually you could be right, but until he develops and plays a couple seasons, you don't know what he could be. The kids hockey IQ is through the roof. Players like that only get hindered by physical ability.
- Retinalz

I think he's a Hamhuis, Suter type of player, I never said he was Luke Schenn
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 6 @ 10:30 PM ET
If you truly want to build through draft, why fire benning? his drafting doesn't look terrible.
- Retinalz



His best pick might be Boeser and Tyamkin . Not JV and OJ
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Mar 6 @ 10:30 PM ET
Interesting thought, although that year as I recall the only real debate was whether they should have taken Galch or not. Seems pretty clear now lol.

Who would you have traded that pick for?

- TheTaoOfSemenko


Tbh for a proven NHLer if possible.
At the time i didn't see how Yak fit in nor the need for him.
Trading down is an option i like in Yaks case
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Mar 6 @ 10:31 PM ET
Go full NCAA baby.

The Vancouver Kinda-Canucks

- Nucker101

Not really gonna argue with that.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 6 @ 10:31 PM ET
Go full NCAA baby.

The Vancouver Kinda-Canucks

- Nucker101



Boeser Gaudette Lockwood
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Mar 6 @ 10:31 PM ET
Go full NCAA baby.

The Vancouver Kinda-Canucks

- Nucker101


Post of the day vote from me 😂😂👍👍
onesmallleap
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Be Calm n Swede On, BC
Joined: 09.23.2015

Mar 6 @ 10:31 PM ET
The QMJHL and OHL ones aren't exactly lighting it up either. WHL is definitely the weakest link. NCAA and Euro scouts have found some decent players, mostly NCAA doe
- Nucker101

we've missed 2 many good ones to justify it , the shortest distance to travel and a deeper back-roots story on the players , tells me the scouts were negligent in their assessments
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Mar 6 @ 10:32 PM ET
He's a good prospect, but not top 10 worthy from what I've seen.
- Nucker101


Idk but i like trading down if a good deal is there to be had.
I like options
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Mar 6 @ 10:32 PM ET
Canucks scouts?
- Nucker101


I was referring to central scouting, but I'd trust any professional scout's opinion over a fan's. including my own. For example, I think Yakamoto should be a top-10 pick, but the size and other issues related to his game are things I don't know about. I've watched tape and seen him play live a few times, to me the kid has special talent. But again, I'd value the people who's job it is to assess talent at his age.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Mar 6 @ 10:33 PM ET
If you truly want to build through draft, why fire benning? his drafting doesn't look terrible.
- Retinalz

To be determined, he's not getting fired, I just think he comes off as a dippoop. Personal opinion.
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Mar 6 @ 10:33 PM ET
Is there a link to who r the GM's who draft?
Otherwise its only stats....

- Nighthawk

that's kind of the point: the higher you draft, the better the odds you're going to find an impact player without relying on the stupidity of other GMs passing on the guy you want.

simply put, relying on the guy you want to fall to your position is relying on luck.

if you think that one prospect is as good as another b/c who knows if they'll turn out, you're relying on luck.

if you think that jb is a better than average drafter, you should want him to have the biggest pool of players available to him to draft so he doesn't get "unlucky" and have his desired player plucked by a team a couple of spots ahead of him.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Mar 6 @ 10:33 PM ET
I think he's a Hamhuis, Suter type of player, I never said he was Luke Schenn
- LeftCoaster


Dan Hamhuis, Paul Martin type imo. Hamhuis was actually a badass in the Dub back in the day, Juolevi is less physical than Hammer, more natural skill though, both smart players.

Those that were never as high as other Canuck fans on Hamhuis/Tanev probably won't love Olli. He plays a very quiet style, he makes some nice stretch passes but that's about it in terms of flash. It's rare to see him throw a hit, rush the push up the ice, etc. He does throw a lot of pucks at the net though, something Tanev is allergic to.
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