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VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 7 @ 12:20 PM ET
He is by far the best defensive defenceman Van has. He can't score though. He isn't physical enough to clear the front of the net. Van doesn't have that top end D guy to score 50 points a season to allow Tanev to play his defensive game. It's more about creating an equal defence as a whole unit.
- manvanfan



I get what people say about Tanev and being reliable but...



After July first he is locked in for four more years. He doesn't bring toughness. He doesn't bring scoring. He is very reliable. He is a good team player.

If this team is in transition You could draft Cal Foote who is first unit PP and tougher .He would put up more points and by the time this team is turning the corner should be hitting his stride.

Not only that but by moving Tanev you would be getting back a high end forward that would probably keep the puck in the other end longer and probably be a better back checker.

The people claiming draft high, well this is the type of moves you need to do. You can't applaud TO for moving out Dion and Kessel and then nix the Canucks for trying to move Tanev.
Bullfrog77
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vernon, BC
Joined: 02.18.2015

Mar 7 @ 12:20 PM ET
A better option than Jr where he has nothing to learn.
Wasting a year in London is how i see it if not Europe or doesn't make the Canucks.

- Nighthawk

Look how well it worked for JV and mcaan not going back to Jr
DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

Mar 7 @ 12:20 PM ET
I think there is a bit of exaggeration in this post.

1) If you can find dozens of Subban-types, then how can you flip AHL talent to fill an NHL hole? Seems to go against supply and demand

- WhiteLie


Because you can use him as part of a package, he doesn't have to be the main piece, he's an asset.

2) Can you have enough offensive defensemen? They seem to be a premium these days


Like Nighthawk said, only if they're NHL caliber which Subban currently, and may never be, is not.

3) Who do we have that would be considered better offensively? Only Neill has better junior numbers than Subban did (and not sure if you want to discount it for being in the QMJHL). Also he has let the Comets D in scoring the entire time he has been there


I'll note that Shinkaruk who is older than Subban lead the Comets in scoring as well, yet played more NHL games at the same age than Subban and yet is considered at this point a replacement-level NHL player like a Biega or Boucher. Subban leads the Comets D in scoring because Utica this year is horrible, he was the better of the bad bunch of ECHL call-ups and scraps left on the farm.

OJ is better than him, Brisebois is better than him, Neill MIGHT be as good as him but playing in the Q does make his numbers somewhat suspect. Subban is Stecher-lite but with massive holes in his defensive game which is why Stecher is playing big minutes in the NHL even though they're roughly the same size.
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Mar 7 @ 12:20 PM ET
I'd rather they lose like they are now, somewhat in games, did you see the Colorado game the other night against Winnipeg...that was just embarrassing and deflating for the players. I don't want that.

There's bad, and then there's really bad.

- LeftCoaster


So you do agree with Benning's strategy of remaining competitive?

This might be a game by game compete and not a playoff compete but it is remaining competitive.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Mar 7 @ 12:21 PM ET
I get what people say about Tanev and being reliable but...



After July first he is locked in for four more years. He doesn't bring toughness. He doesn't bring scoring. He is very reliable. He is a good team player.

If this team is in transition You could draft Cal Foote who is first unit PP and tougher .He would put up more points and by the time this team is turning the corner should be hitting his stride.

Not only that but by moving Tanev you would be getting back a high end forward that would probably keep the puck in the other end lonnger and probably be a better back checker.

The people claiming draft high, well this is the type of moves you need to do. You can't applaud TO for moving out Dion and Kessel and then nix the Canucks for trying to move Tanev.

- VANTEL

Because Edler is 30 years old, I'd be much more inclined to move him during this rebuilding phase. Probably has higher value as well.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 7 @ 12:23 PM ET
So you do agree with Benning's strategy of remaining competitive?

This might be a game by game compete and not a playoff compete but it is remaining competitive.

- Reubenkincade



Check back at 2.30
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 7 @ 12:23 PM ET
Because Edler is 30 years old, I'd be much more inclined to move him during this rebuilding phase. Probably has higher value as well.
- LeftCoaster



He also has a NTC
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Mar 7 @ 12:23 PM ET
So you do agree with Benning's strategy of remaining competitive?

This might be a game by game compete and not a playoff compete but it is remaining competitive.

- Reubenkincade

Competitive in the sense you don't want your team to get roasted every night. I interpret Benning to mean he wants to be playoff competitive when he talks though. So slightly different IMO.
Whiskey-Tango
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Classification: Bipolar-Tanker, QC
Joined: 12.10.2011

Mar 7 @ 12:24 PM ET
Because you can use him as part of a package, he doesn't have to be the main piece, he's an asset.



Like Nighthawk said, only if they're NHL caliber which Subban currently, and may never be, is not.



I'll note that Shinkaruk who is older than Subban lead the Comets in scoring as well, yet played more NHL games at the same age than Subban and yet is considered at this point a replacement-level NHL player like a Biega or Boucher. Subban leads the Comets D in scoring because Utica this year is horrible, he was the better of the bad bunch of ECHL call-ups and scraps left on the farm.

OJ is better than him, Brisebois is better than him, Neill MIGHT be as good as him but playing in the Q does make his numbers somewhat suspect. Subban is Stecher-lite but with massive holes in his defensive game which is why Stecher is playing big minutes in the NHL even though they're roughly the same size.

- DariusKnight


LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Mar 7 @ 12:24 PM ET
He also has a NTC
- VANTEL

So did a lot of other guys they moved, Garrison, Bieksa, Kesler, Burrows, Hansen, Luongo etc. They still all got moved.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 7 @ 12:26 PM ET
I'd rather they lose like they are now, somewhat in games, did you see the Colorado game the other night against Winnipeg...that was just embarrassing and deflating for the players. I don't want that.

There's bad, and then there's really bad.

- LeftCoaster



Tanev has been out of the lineup for long stretches already we held our own, not good not horrible.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 7 @ 12:26 PM ET
I'd rather they lose like they are now, somewhat in games, did you see the Colorado game the other night against Winnipeg...that was just embarrassing and deflating for the players. I don't want that.

There's bad, and then there's really bad.

- LeftCoaster



Tanev has been out of the lineup for long stretches already we held our own, not good not horrible.
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Mar 7 @ 12:26 PM ET
They simply decline, been done before.
- LeftCoaster


Been checking into this for about 6 months now and can't find any examples. WI'll be nice if this is an option, or they get rid of the 20 year old rule for AHL if you played in CHL.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 7 @ 12:27 PM ET
So did a lot of other guys they moved, Garrison, Bieksa, Kesler, Burrows, Hansen, Luongo etc. They still all got moved.
- LeftCoaster



Edler said he is not waiving and has a NTC .

The others said well if they don't want me here.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Mar 7 @ 12:29 PM ET
Edler said he is not waiving and has a NTC .

The others said well if they don't want me here.

- VANTEL

I know, but if I'm Benning I simply press the issue. He can also be exposed in the expansion draft if he won't agree to be traded....#hardball
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Mar 7 @ 12:30 PM ET
I get what people say about Tanev and being reliable but...



After July first he is locked in for four more years. He doesn't bring toughness. He doesn't bring scoring. He is very reliable. He is a good team player.

If this team is in transition You could draft Cal Foote who is first unit PP and tougher .He would put up more points and by the time this team is turning the corner should be hitting his stride.

Not only that but by moving Tanev you would be getting back a high end forward that would probably keep the puck in the other end longer and probably be a better back checker.

The people claiming draft high, well this is the type of moves you need to do. You can't applaud TO for moving out Dion and Kessel and then nix the Canucks for trying to move Tanev.

- VANTEL


I am totally with you.

I want to see the canucks win every year. Whether they trade Tanev for a player or a draft pick this year, i'm for it.
Garfield512
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm a figment of your imagination.
Joined: 11.09.2006

Mar 7 @ 12:31 PM ET
Edler said he is not waiving and has a NTC .

The others said well if they don't want me here.

- VANTEL

If I was the coach I would accommodate him by sitting him on the bench and not move him from there all year.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 7 @ 12:31 PM ET
I know, but if I'm Benning I simply press the issue. He can also be exposed in the expansion draft if he won't agree to be traded....#hardball
- LeftCoaster



That is what I said a few years back send him down on waivers and got roasted by you

You are not losing him for nothing.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 7 @ 12:33 PM ET
If I was the coach I would accommodate him by sitting him on the bench and not move him from there all year.
- Garfield512



In Quebec that is considered a dream job . Get paid 5 mil and do absolutely nothing
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Mar 7 @ 12:33 PM ET
That is what I said a few years back send him down on waivers and got roasted by you

You are not losing him for nothing.

- VANTEL

Things are different now though, you've gotta catch up with the times. He'll be 31 next year, the team is a lot different now, this stuff all matters. It's not 2011/12/13 anymore.
Garfield512
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm a figment of your imagination.
Joined: 11.09.2006

Mar 7 @ 12:34 PM ET
In Quebec that is considered a dream job . Get paid 5 mil and do absolutely nothing
- VANTEL

I wish ...
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 7 @ 12:36 PM ET
Things are different now though, you've gotta catch up with the times. He'll be 31 next year, the team is a lot different now, this stuff all matters. It's not 2011 anymore.
- LeftCoaster

Okay



If that is the case you would be better to tell him give me a list of 10 teams if not I am sending you to Utica and you will be picked up by Colorado

Now that is keeping up with the times old man
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Mar 7 @ 12:36 PM ET
In Quebec that is considered a dream job . Get paid 5 mil and do absolutely nothing
- VANTEL

Why are the personal income tax rates so high in Quebec and yet they receive almost 50% of the transfer payments....WTF is going on there
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Mar 7 @ 12:37 PM ET
Okay



If that is the case you would be better to tell him give me a list of 10 teams if not I am sending you to Utica and you will be picked up by Colorado

Now that is keeping up with the times old man

- VANTEL

Simply put....having a NTC doesn't mean you can't be traded. It certainly makes it more difficult but not impossible.
Garfield512
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm a figment of your imagination.
Joined: 11.09.2006

Mar 7 @ 12:38 PM ET
Why are the personal income tax rates so high in Quebec and yet they receive almost 50% of the transfer payments....WTF is going on there
- LeftCoaster

Don't ask ... I don't like it either.
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