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Jesus Christ
- sbroads24

Doesn't matter ........ season was over a few weeks ago.

Doesn't matter ........ season was over a few weeks ago.
- fastek

back to back loses to yotes and colorado cooked that goose

this is a losing culture and murray sacrificed this season when eichel went down right before the season started


and the coach is clueless

I heard gorges is open to a trade this summer

he hates the losing culture

I heard gorges is open to a trade this summer

he hates the losing culture
- homiedclown

But don't worry guys, Jack will be totally fine with tanking.

back to back loses to yotes and colorado cooked that goose
- homiedclown

That's right and anyone who continues to biatch about a loss like tonight is just playing the "tortured fan" card.

this is a losing culture and murray sacrificed this season when eichel went down right before the season started


and the coach is clueless
- homiedclown

So I'm in Oakland Raider country and we as fans suffered through many years of losing. I recall Jack Del Rio stating more then once this past year ............

'Last year we learned how to compete .. this year we learned how to win".

I think about this alot and how the Sabres might fall within this mindset. I'm not sure they have learned the first part yet actually.

That's right and anyone who continues to biatch about a loss like tonight is just playing the "tortured fan" card.
- fastek

I will vent about the players on the team that leads to the loss

I will vent on the coach that is over his head

I will vent on the gm that constructed this team


I am very happy we lost, because right now it's all about the draft, AGAIN

I heard gorges is open to a trade this summer

he hates the losing culture
- homiedclown

Might think I'm crazy but I think the GM is fine, the coaching staff is fine .......... and about 1/2 the players are fine.

It's the other 1/2 that are the cancer.........

I will vent about the players on the team that leads to the loss

I will vent on the coach that is over his head

I will vent on the gm that constructed this team


I am very happy we lost, because right now it's all about the draft, AGAIN



- homiedclown

I feel the same way ............ about the loss that is. I have no problem with it.

So I'm in Oakland Raider country and we as fans suffered through many years of losing. I recall Jack Del Rio stating more then once this past year ............

'Last year we learned how to compete .. this year we learned how to win".

I think about this alot and how the Sabres might fall within this mindset. I'm not sure they have learned the first part yet actually.
- fastek

they have done anything but learn how to compete


how many games did they start flat this year?


how many games did they play a crappy second period?



how many times did they blow a lead in the 3rd?



how many times did they strike out in the shoot out?


and the big question, how many times did they play a full 60 minute game?

they have done anything but learn how to compete


how many games did they start flat this year?


how many games did they play a crappy second period?



how many times did they blow a lead in the 3rd?



how many times did they strike out in the shoot out?


and the big question, how many times did they play a full 60 minute game?
- homiedclown

So that about sums it all up actually. In the Raider's case it really wasn't until they had solidified their roster did things turn around. I see the same from the Sabres.

We now have particular glaring weakness's to address ..... instead of an entire roster void of top-flight talent. We are in no way the shiethole of a team we were two years ago ....... not even close.

No. He shouldn't have made them. Period. He should have taken it slow.

If he LOVED O'Reilly, or LOVED Kane, I can see jumping on one of them. But trading for ROR, Kane and Lehner within months was a mistake.

I truly believe it. That doesn't mean I don't think the above are good players.

But we went through "suffering" to become great
- sbroads24

Without the Kane trade, we likely don't end up with Eichel
And if we didn't finish last & get Matthews...
WE'D BE F#CKED!

Instead of Eichel, O'Reilly, Kane, Okposo & Nylander...
we likely would've had Strome & Dubois, and then Myers, Compher, Lemieux, Grigorenko & Zadorov, plus a couple picks

Ummmmm...
so u tell me we'd be in better shape if we "took it slow"
Sorry dude
That's freaking INSANE to me

No way
I'll take what we have now over what we gave up in a freaking heartbeat

Bc the only way we'd have Matthews is if we finished last...
and the Leafs were committed to tanking that year
And Winnipeg jumped up like 4 spots I think...
so the chances we finished 6th (or whatever) weren't likely imo
And...
if we didn't make enough those trades, then we'd have been tanking again, specifically for Matthews...
bc NO ONE had Laine even in the top10 when we made those trades
So IF we were tanking...
it would've been ONLY for Matthews, which was unlikely

Those trades ABSOLUTELY should've been made
Kane + O'Reilly >>>>>>>>>> what we gave up

All we need to do is get 2 top4 defensemen & we are right back on track
I really don't think you could be more wrong here

I'll say it again
No Eichel, but Strome...
likely Dubois or Puljujarvi...
No Nylander, Kane, Okposo, or O'Reilly...
AND
we still are picking in the top5...
with little hope in sight

No F-ing thank you
No
No
No
No
No

Without the Kane trade, we likely don't end up with Eichel
And if we didn't finish last & get Matthews...
WE'D BE F#CKED!

Instead of Eichel, O'Reilly, Kane, Okposo & Nylander...
we likely would've had Strome & Dubois, and then Myers, Compher, Lemieux, Grigorenko & Zadorov, plus a couple picks
- jdfitz77

Just one minor thing to add: We wouldn't even have Lemieux because he would have refused to sign a contract with the Sabres.

Otherwise, spot-on post.

they have done anything but learn how to compete


how many games did they start flat this year?


how many games did they play a crappy second period?



how many times did they blow a lead in the 3rd?



how many times did they strike out in the shoot out?


and the big question, how many times did they play a full 60 minute game?
- homiedclown

How many times do the Pens play a full 60 minute game? There's no such thing. Well, not in the way you think. You can play a whole 60 minute game and still get killed because of bad luck. The biggest thing is getting 19 guys to maintain a certain level for the entire game. If guys start getting out of "alignment" then, oops there's a goal.

You need to have your guys pushing in the same direction. Period. And that IS on the coach.

I heard gorges is open to a trade this summer

he hates the losing culture
- homiedclown

he is the losing culture

No. He shouldn't have made them. Period. He should have taken it slow.

If he LOVED O'Reilly, or LOVED Kane, I can see jumping on one of them. But trading for ROR, Kane and Lehner within months was a mistake.

I truly believe it. That doesn't mean I don't think the above are good players.

But we went through "suffering" to become great
- sbroads24

Murray's biggest mistake was to "follow". If he would've just looked at his roster and what was coming and seen that this wasn't a "grinding" team. So don't try and make that happen. I understand he wanted Babcock, everyone in WNY and Southern Ontario that are Sabres fans wanted Babcock. We didn't get him. Tough titties. They should've kept looking for a guy that is going to let them play to their strengths. But instead they hired a guy that has a Ring, and was known for favoring his vets to the point of stunting his younger players. Played a very complex puck retrieval/breakout game, and then dump and chase. On a team with two of those guys on it, Zadorov, and Gorges.

I am totally fine with the 3 big trades. Lehner does not suck, stop it. He's had a rough stretch because the team in front of him has bailed. Plus he's still only an RFA and very young for a goalie. If someone came up to you and said: "You can have a young, legitimate, 65 game starting goalie, a guy who will be at the top of the league in SV%, his GAA won't be great, but the "defense" that plays in front of him is a joke(they literally give up the most shots per game), sure he will have some warts, he's not sure what to do on a breakaway, and the shootout will be bad. But you should be able to coach those things out of him. You can get him for the 21st overall pick in the draft. A guy who might be a good 3rd liner or a replacement 2nd liner if he's lucky, in 3 years."

Do you do it? Every sane person says (frank) yes.

Murray's biggest mistake was to "follow". If he would've just looked at his roster and what was coming and seen that this wasn't a "grinding" team. So don't try and make that happen. I understand he wanted Babcock, everyone in WNY and Southern Ontario that are Sabres fans wanted Babcock. We didn't get him. Tough titties. They should've kept looking for a guy that is going to let them play to their strengths. But instead they hired a guy that has a Ring, and was known for favoring his vets to the point of stunting his younger players. Played a very complex puck retrieval/breakout game, and then dump and chase. On a team with two of those guys on it, Zadorov, and Gorges.

I am totally fine with the 3 big trades. Lehner does not suck, stop it. He's had a rough stretch because the team in front of him has bailed. Plus he's still only an RFA and very young for a goalie. If someone came up to you and said: "You can have a young, legitimate, 65 game starting goalie, a guy who will be at the top of the league in SV%, his GAA won't be great, but the "defense" that plays in front of him is a joke(they literally give up the most shots per game), sure he will have some warts, he's not sure what to do on a breakaway, and the shootout will be bad. But you should be able to coach those things out of him. You can get him for the 21st overall pick in the draft. A guy who might be a good 3rd liner or a replacement 2nd liner if he's lucky, in 3 years."

Do you do it? Every sane person says (frank) yes.
- Wetbandit1

The problem with the lehner trade has never been about lehner himself. They gave up the 21st pick in a deep draft (konecny looked great last night, after 2 years not 3 )
for production they could get from a FA goalie

They concede a ton of shots but thats a problem with their possession not an indication that Lehner has been great or something( i know the debate on quality of shots has been beaten to death so ill move on).

The guys made saves an average goalie should make, hes had stretches where hes looked above average even great at times making huge saves and hes had stretches where hes looked like a career back up. All indicative of an average goaltender, someone who no sane person would pay a first in a deep draft for.

oh for (frank)s sake


http://www.sbncollegehock...res-prospect-north-dakota

The best we can hope for right now is that the season ends in such an ugly fashion that GMTM has no choice but to fire Bylsma and he rethinks his commitment to Lehner.

Even better would be a total housecleaning that sees Brandon, GMTM, Bylsma and Lehner on the unemployment line.

The problem with the lehner trade has never been about lehner himself. They gave up the 21st pick in a deep draft (konecny looked great last night, after 2 years not 3 )
for production they could get from a FA goalie

They concede a ton of shots but thats a problem with their possession not an indication that Lehner has been great or something( i know the debate on quality of shots has been beaten to death so ill move on).

The guys made saves an average goalie should make, hes had stretches where hes looked above average even great at times making huge saves and hes had stretches where hes looked like a career back up. All indicative of an average goaltender, someone who no sane person would pay a first in a deep draft for.
- Sabresfan-365

Konecny as in the guy who has 24 total points on the season and someone who had such a crisis of confidence during the season that it was even brought up on the broadcast last night?

Why does anyone think Lehner is getting anything other than a bridge deal as an RFA?

The best we can hope for right now is that the season ends in such an ugly fashion that GMTM has no choice but to fire Bylsma and he rethinks his commitment to Lehner.

Even better would be a total housecleaning that sees Brandon, GMTM, Bylsma and Lehner on the unemployment line.
- Losman

This...when you can't even enjoy a 3-0 lead in the 1st because you know how much they suck in the 2nd...I want the season over with

Maybe they can get blown out a few more times and Pegula will finally have Bylsma fired. A big losing streak and some big losses can do that.

Maybe they can get blown out a few more times and Pegula will finally have Bylsma fired. A big losing streak and some big losses can do that.
- burner087

The losing streak now should be enough...but it won't be. Between the teams they lost to and way they lost to good teams...it's embarrassing.

Without the Kane trade, we likely don't end up with Eichel
And if we didn't finish last & get Matthews...
WE'D BE F#CKED!

Instead of Eichel, O'Reilly, Kane, Okposo & Nylander...
we likely would've had Strome & Dubois, and then Myers, Compher, Lemieux, Grigorenko & Zadorov, plus a couple picks

Ummmmm...
so u tell me we'd be in better shape if we "took it slow"
Sorry dude
That's freaking INSANE to me

No way
I'll take what we have now over what we gave up in a freaking heartbeat

Bc the only way we'd have Matthews is if we finished last...
and the Leafs were committed to tanking that year
And Winnipeg jumped up like 4 spots I think...
so the chances we finished 6th (or whatever) weren't likely imo
And...
if we didn't make enough those trades, then we'd have been tanking again, specifically for Matthews...
bc NO ONE had Laine even in the top10 when we made those trades
So IF we were tanking...
it would've been ONLY for Matthews, which was unlikely

Those trades ABSOLUTELY should've been made
Kane + O'Reilly >>>>>>>>>> what we gave up

All we need to do is get 2 top4 defensemen & we are right back on track
I really don't think you could be more wrong here

I'll say it again
No Eichel, but Strome...
likely Dubois or Puljujarvi...
No Nylander, Kane, Okposo, or O'Reilly...
AND
we still are picking in the top5...
with little hope in sight

No F-ing thank you
No
No
No
No
No
- jdfitz77

Yeah, I don't believe at all the Kane trade landed Eichel, and it didn't become a theory until recently