But he had the most points in the NHL for a 5 year span.
- J35Bacher

It was 6 actually.

Trade Schenn
- Scoob

I honestly think they need to look at trading one of Giroux or Simmonds.

Giroux will probably get you depth but nothing sexy. You might be able to get out of his cap hit though. Think Rick Nash type of deal.

Simmonds could bring you the most bang for your buck. Could get a young top line player who might be close to hitting his stride, 1st rounder and maybe a depth guy.

But I think they need to look at the top 6.

it's over johnny.

talent on this team, but not enough. the top players aren't contributing enough, and with questionable roster decisions and line combos...this is what we have.

i expected them to get better with 9 and 11, but they haven't. and not because of them.

clear as much dead weight as possible and make room for a handful of kids. do it.

the wait continues.

The Islanders were making Andrew Ladd a healthy scratch earlier in the season, he now has 7 goals more than Giroux.

On December 15 the Islanders were 14 points behind the Flyers, they are now 5 points ahead.
- PLindbergh31

that is (frank)ing ridiculous.

Couturier absolutely clowned by Bozak. That was pathetic.
- PLindbergh31

the entire team was all basically right there in the slot. he still got the shot off and scored. disgrace. great shot. has to be stopped.

it's over johnny.

talent on this team, but not enough. the top players aren't contributing enough, and with questionable roster decisions and line combos...this is what we have.

i expected them to get better with 9 and 11, but they haven't. and not because of them.

clear as much dead weight as possible and make room for a handful of kids. do it.

the wait continues.
- hammarby31

They did have three (Provorov, Konecny, Lyubimov) rookies in the lineup regularly this year. They also had Leier, Weal and Stolarz up for a spell. That's six rookies that played for the Flyers this year. They are working some younger players in. Just takes time.

They did have three (Provorov, Konecny, Lyubimov) rookies in the lineup regularly this year. They also had Leier, Weal and Stolarz up for a spell. That's six rookies that played for the Flyers this year. They are working some younger players in. Just takes time.
- mickel25

yes, and they need to keep going there. i like Lyubimov a lot. i think lindblom will be here next year. maybe vorobyov not far behind. rubstov....there's talent. we just have to wait. i'm tired of waiting, as are we all.

was thinking about the 2004 team last night because of their playoffs vs leafs...leclair, recchi, Primeau, Gagne, Roenick, Amonte, Kapanen, Zhamnov...i miss that kind of talent. feels like a million miles away from that level.

Trade Schenn
- Scoob

Welcome aboard. TOOT TOOT.

Wow PSG was throwing out some truths today. Hide your children. Hide your wives.

Welcome aboard. TOOT TOOT.
- Mononoke

I like the show now

I honestly think they need to look at trading one of Giroux or Simmonds.

Giroux will probably get you depth but nothing sexy. You might be able to get out of his cap hit though. Think Rick Nash type of deal.

Simmonds could bring you the most bang for your buck. Could get a young top line player who might be close to hitting his stride, 1st rounder and maybe a depth guy.

But I think they need to look at the top 6.
- J35Bacher

Yes, Simmonds would probably bring the best bang for the buck, but honestly, I'd much rather keep him and trade Schenn.

As for Giroux, I'm in the "I think he's injured right now" camp and am willing to see what happens next season before thinking about moving on.

I don't think Couturier sucks, nor would I say that about almost any player in the NHL. He's very responsible defensively, which almost goes without question, but he still hasn't taken that step forward offensively that myself and a lot of others thought/hoped he would. At this point, and I know he's only in his mid 20s, he's projecting to be more akin to John Madden than he is Patrice Bergeron.
- aantny88

Patrice Bergeron might be a Hall of Famer.

Madden is an interesting comparison in that he didn't play a full NHL season till age 26, didn't have a 40 point season till age 29, and had his most points at age 34, and was still a useful player at age 37.

http://www.hockey-referen.../players/m/maddejo01.html

Welcome aboard. TOOT TOOT.
- Mononoke

lol, I wasn't aware there was a train, but I guess I bought a ticket.

I like the show now
- Mordecai

I bet you do! It was like pulling teeth

Did we get SOMEBODY ELSE yet?

Nope because Kopitar is a cup champion and the Kings have a realistic chance for the playoffs. And he has won the Lady Byng and Selke Trophies.
- dragonoffrost

They have the same Points% as us, but the West has less bubble teams so they just need to catch St Louis.

Trade Schenn
- Scoob

Trayden Schenn

Wow PSG was throwing out some truths today. Hide your children. Hide your wives.
- Mononoke

They can't take it

They can't take it
- PhillySportsGuy

The thing about points is they always need context. 50 point today is basically low end 1st line.

Couturier does not get PP1 time (and there's maybe only a few consistent 50+ guys in the league without PP1 time), and the PP2 has been a mess for a long time. Finally he's in front of the net because the coach had an epiphany we've had for years and moved him there. And the PP2 looks better now, and the personnel is improved, everyone going to their proper spots. Even so, all you can hope for is 10-12 PP points a year on the second unit, and his career high is 7, I believe. So, in order to hit 50, we're talking about scoring almost 40 ES points. That's not 2nd line levels. That's elite first line levels, top 20-25 in the league for all players, and #1 center scoring. So, that's what people ACTUALLY want from him. It sounds almost ridiculous when you actually break it down and don't just arbitrarily throw out numbers. But that's what he did last year, barring time missed, and that was probably as close to max capacity as he can run at 2 points per game 5v5. And it's a fact all the best players on the team score more with him than apart.

It's just like Provorov will never touch Norris Trophy level scoring (40+) without seeing PP1 time. He's a beast 5v5 scorer this year, but it's just not possible without PP1 time. But everyone loves Provorov and calls him a #1 because he matches against top lines, scores well 5v5, leads the PK, and can hopefully outscore his opponents in spite of that usage. Sounds familiar.

The thing about points is they always need context. 50 point today is basically low end 1st line.

Couturier does not get PP1 time (and there's maybe only a few consistent 50+ guys in the league without PP1 time), and the PP2 has been a mess for a long time. Finally he's in front of the net because the coach had an epiphany we've had for years and moved him there. And the PP2 looks better now, and the personnel is improved, everyone going to their proper spots. Even so, all you can hope for is 10-12 PP points a year on the second unit, and his career high is 7, I believe. So, in order to hit 50, we're talking about scoring almost 40 ES points. That's not 2nd line levels. That's elite first line levels, top 20-25 in the league, and #1 center scoring. So, that's what people ACTUALLY want from him. It sounds almost ridiculous when you actually break it down and don't just arbitrarily throw out numbers. But that's what he did last year, barring time missed, and that was probably as close to max capacity as he can run at 2 points per game 5v5.

It's just like Provorov will never touch Norris Trophy level scoring (40+) without seeing PP1 time. He's a beast 5v5 scorer this year, but it's just not possible without PP1 time. But everyone loves Provorov and calls him a #1 because he matches against top lines, scores well 5v5, leads the PK, and can hopefully outscore his opponents in spite of that usage. Sounds familiar.
- Mononoke

Oh no you didn't just speak ill of Ivan...

Prepare for the wrath of the buzz

This team will never win a cup with 8.5 million a year Claude Giroux as our 1C. Numbers will be down again from him this year.

Oh no you didn't just speak ill of Ivan...

Prepare for the wrath of the buzz
- dragonoffrost

This team will never win a cup with 8.5 million a year Claude Giroux as our 1C. Numbers will be down again from him this year.
- Williamc5468

True.

Remains to be seen if he can be a contributing 2/3C.

Don't shoot me but I think amacs looked real good lately