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NoRussian
Edmonton Oilers
Location: City of Champions, AB
Joined: 02.21.2017

Mar 12 @ 5:13 PM ET
I feel like I'm missing something but how exactly has MacT impacted the team's drafting. Slepyshev is the only non-lottery pick guy on track to be much of anything.
- MaximumBone


Bear and Jones are where I could see MacT getting some credit. Both were drafted in 2015. Chia was with the organization for about maybe a month or at that point in time. I see him relying on MacT on specific players. Also, MacT made the trade that gave us the picks we used to draft Jones and Bear, so keep that in mind. However, Chia does make the final call and with that being said, maybe Chia had scouts eyeing Bear and Jones during his tenure as the Bruins GM. Nonetheless, MacT did make the trade that gave us the picks that were used to draft Bear/Jones.

Drafting Lagesson (2014) is an interesting selection as well.

Lets also not forget about LD over Bennett.
MacT picking up Nurse over anyone else in that draft could also bring note to his decision making.
Slepy also comes to mind as well.
Paygin might be an interesting prospect to follow as well
NoRussian
Edmonton Oilers
Location: City of Champions, AB
Joined: 02.21.2017

Mar 12 @ 5:15 PM ET
Patience....the oldest any of these guys are now is 21. I would say the 2015 draft is still mostly Mac T's as well.
- Larsson_fan


I can see that as the case as well, however, slight it may be.
NoRussian
Edmonton Oilers
Location: City of Champions, AB
Joined: 02.21.2017

Mar 12 @ 5:18 PM ET
The Oilers were able to get these moves done partly because of the work previous GM Craig MacTavish did in gathering assets. He helped line up 10 picks heading into this draft, including seven in the first four rounds.

“I’ve got to give MacT some credit here because we had a lot of picks here and we were able to shift some picks around and we were able to get some players. I’ve got to say that first and foremost,” said Chiarelli.


https://www.nhl.com/oiler...draft-day-trades/c-772813

NHL 2015 Draft*
Larsson_fan
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.08.2016

Mar 12 @ 5:20 PM ET
Thinking back, you can clearly see how few (frank)s the Oilers' scouting staff gave about skating. Gagner, Nash, Plante, Eberle, Omark, Peckham and Lander all had skating issues when drafted. That's over half of their draft picks and most of their early picks from 2006-2009.
- MaximumBone


Yep. Quite the departure from the Sather regime....thats all they seemed to care about. who was his cheif scout? Barry Stafford? Fraser? I cant remember.
Larsson_fan
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.08.2016

Mar 12 @ 5:22 PM ET
The Oilers were able to get these moves done partly because of the work previous GM Craig MacTavish did in gathering assets. He helped line up 10 picks heading into this draft, including seven in the first four rounds.

“I’ve got to give MacT some credit here because we had a lot of picks here and we were able to shift some picks around and we were able to get some players. I’ve got to say that first and foremost,” said Chiarelli.


https://www.nhl.com/oiler...draft-day-trades/c-772813

NHL 2015 Draft*

- NoRussian

Tell that to Hendo.
Larsson_fan
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.08.2016

Mar 12 @ 5:23 PM ET
Bear and Jones are where I could see MacT getting some credit. Both were drafted in 2015. Chia was with the organization for about maybe a month or at that point in time. I see him relying on MacT on specific players. Also, MacT made the trade that gave us the picks we used to draft Jones and Bear, so keep that in mind. However, Chia does make the final call and with that being said, maybe Chia had scouts eyeing Bear and Jones during his tenure as the Bruins GM. Nonetheless, MacT did make the trade that gave us the picks that were used to draft Bear/Jones.

Drafting Lagesson (2014) is an interesting selection as well.

Lets also not forget about LD over Bennett.
MacT picking up Nurse over anyone else in that draft could also bring note to his decision making.
Slepy also comes to mind as well.
Paygin might be an interesting prospect to follow as well

- NoRussian



Pretty obvious Mac t picked the wrong defender tho....
NoRussian
Edmonton Oilers
Location: City of Champions, AB
Joined: 02.21.2017

Mar 12 @ 5:24 PM ET
Honestly, I feel like MacT gets undeserved hate at times. I saw him as a raw, inexperienced GM who had potential to be a great GM. Glad Chia took him under his wing. In time, I'm sure he'll earn his calling.
TheGiftofGod
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.15.2016

Mar 12 @ 5:25 PM ET
THEO PECKHAMMMMM
TheGiftofGod
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.15.2016

Mar 12 @ 5:28 PM ET
Bear and Jones are where I could see MacT getting some credit. Both were drafted in 2015. Chia was with the organization for about maybe a month or at that point in time. I see him relying on MacT on specific players. Also, MacT made the trade that gave us the picks we used to draft Jones and Bear, so keep that in mind. However, Chia does make the final call and with that being said, maybe Chia had scouts eyeing Bear and Jones during his tenure as the Bruins GM. Nonetheless, MacT did make the trade that gave us the picks that were used to draft Bear/Jones.

Drafting Lagesson (2014) is an interesting selection as well.

Lets also not forget about LD over Bennett.
MacT picking up Nurse over anyone else in that draft could also bring note to his decision making.
Slepy also comes to mind as well.
Paygin might be an interesting prospect to follow as well

- NoRussian


Damn I was here to say both Dmen were doing amazing. Caleb Jones nearly PPG, Ethan Bear is amazing.
Larsson_fan
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.08.2016

Mar 12 @ 5:28 PM ET
THEO PECKHAMMMMM
- TheGiftofGod

Hey look! JB is back!

MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Mar 12 @ 5:30 PM ET
Bear and Jones are where I could see MacT getting some credit. Both were drafted in 2015. Chia was with the organization for about maybe a month or at that point in time. I see him relying on MacT on specific players. Also, MacT made the trade that gave us the picks we used to draft Jones and Bear, so keep that in mind. However, Chia does make the final call and with that being said, maybe Chia had scouts eyeing Bear and Jones during his tenure as the Bruins GM. Nonetheless, MacT did make the trade that gave us the picks that were used to draft Bear/Jones.

Drafting Lagesson (2014) is an interesting selection as well.

Lets also not forget about LD over Bennett.
MacT picking up Nurse over anyone else in that draft could also bring note to his decision making.
Slepy also comes to mind as well.
Paygin might be an interesting prospect to follow as well

- NoRussian

Lagesson is a defense-first guy whose ceiling is likely a 3rd pairing guy (if he makes it at all). Not sure I'm giving credit until he's AT LEAST finding success in the AHL.

Sure, I'll give him Draisaitl over Bennett

Nurse over Ristolainen, Horvat, Domi and Wennberg? He shouldn't be castrated for the decision but nor should he get praise for picking Nurse.

Paigin was in 2015.
TheGiftofGod
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.15.2016

Mar 12 @ 5:31 PM ET
Hey look! JB is back!


- Larsson_fan


I thoughr I looked nice that day.
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Mar 12 @ 5:32 PM ET
Lagesson is a defense-first guy whose ceiling is likely a 3rd pairing guy (if he makes it at all). Not sure I'm giving credit until he's AT LEAST finding success in the AHL.

Sure, I'll give him Draisaitl over Bennett

Nurse over Ristolainen
, Horvat, Domi and Wennberg? He shouldn't be castrated for the decision but nor should he get praise for picking Nurse.

Paigin was in 2015.

- MaximumBone


This one hurts so (frank)ing bad.
TheGiftofGod
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.15.2016

Mar 12 @ 5:35 PM ET
Lagesson is a defense-first guy whose ceiling is likely a 3rd pairing guy (if he makes it at all). Not sure I'm giving credit until he's AT LEAST finding success in the AHL.

Sure, I'll give him Draisaitl over Bennett

Nurse over Ristolainen, Horvat, Domi and Wennberg? He shouldn't be castrated for the decision but nor should he get praise for picking Nurse.

Paigin was in 2015.

- MaximumBone


He's has only tallied 16 points since our conversation in December or whatever.

Sad we passed on Risto, but in reality we still had Petry and Schultz (he put up a decent amount of points the season before) so we werent really in need of RHD.
TheGiftofGod
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.15.2016

Mar 12 @ 5:36 PM ET
This one hurts so (frank)ing bad.
- Wildschwein


Hindsight tho man
NoRussian
Edmonton Oilers
Location: City of Champions, AB
Joined: 02.21.2017

Mar 12 @ 5:36 PM ET
Pretty obvious Mac t picked the wrong defender tho....
- Larsson_fan


That's a tough one to be honest. I'm certain that choosing Nurse over Risto was a tight decision.

However, Nurse's injury should be also mentioned as a setback to his development. Also, he has been having a solid/great season in my point of view. He is slowly developing into what he was projected as. We've seen glimpses of his aggressive, gritty play style and great skating abilities. Not to mention glimpses of his ability to drive the offense and shutdown opponents. I could see him replacing Sekera as a regular Top 4 by 2019. Could even become a solid top 2 defender later on if he continues his development.

Needless to say, don't forget that at the time we had Schultz coming of a great season (AHL wise and NHL wise) and we also had Petry, hence why Nurse was probably picked (LD). Ironically, we would see both Petry and Schultz leaving in a matter of years and thus, shifting the tables.

Also, Defenders as hard to predict but I "think" MacT made the better choice at the time. He saw what we needed and addressed it, but he also rolled the dice. Looking back, I'd say Risto might have changed the dynamic of our defensive situation and could have probably seen us inch closer to a rebuild "faster," but I leave it at picking Risto over Nurse would have too many variables into play (could mean no Connor McDavid***)
leonkennedy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 3 cups in 5 years = DYNASTY
Joined: 04.13.2012

Mar 12 @ 5:40 PM ET
AND SUCK IT JEEEERRRRROOOOOO!!!!!!
- Mr.Bobby

Bold post. You say what needs to be said, but others are too afraid to say. You are like the P.C. of posting.
leonkennedy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 3 cups in 5 years = DYNASTY
Joined: 04.13.2012

Mar 12 @ 5:43 PM ET
Hey look! JB is back!


- Larsson_fan

That is a huge insult to this guy, comparing him to JB. I betcha the guy in the pic has a job, a GF and doesn't live with his parents.
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Mar 12 @ 5:44 PM ET
He's has only tallied 16 points since our conversation in December or whatever.

Sad we passed on Risto, but in reality we still had Petry and Schultz (he put up a decent amount of points the season before) so we werent really in need of RHD.

- TheGiftofGod

He has 21 points in 29 games since the New Year and only 4 of those points have been on the PP as his PP unit (still somehow the 2nd unit) has regularly been tasked with one or both of Jayson Megna and Reid Boucher. That production is just two fewer points than Leon and 7 more than Nuge in that same span. Sorry, that argument doesn't fly.

Fair point as far as Petry and Schultz. I'm still not giving him "credit" for picking Nurse.
NoRussian
Edmonton Oilers
Location: City of Champions, AB
Joined: 02.21.2017

Mar 12 @ 5:45 PM ET
Lagesson is a defense-first guy whose ceiling is likely a 3rd pairing guy (if he makes it at all). Not sure I'm giving credit until he's AT LEAST finding success in the AHL.

Lagesson is an interesting case because of the tools he can bring. Definitely a defense first type of guy. However, time will tell its story. Defenders usually take a couple years to develop and I think he will probably be a gem for us. Have seen him play in the Internationals for Sweden and "honestly," he has a similar play style to Larsson or even to that of Stralman. Might not be as refined as either, but I personally see him as a gem. I could be wrong, but once again, time will tell.

Sure, I'll give him Draisaitl over Bennett

Nurse over Ristolainen, Horvat, Domi and Wennberg? He shouldn't be castrated for the decision but nor should he get praise for picking Nurse.

I mentioned this later on to clarify, it was a tough choice overall

Paigin was in 2015.

Whoops


- MaximumBone
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Mar 12 @ 5:53 PM ET
As much as I'd like to add Aston-Reese as we could use the added forward depth in that age group, I'd be even more stoked to see Daniel Brickley come our way.
leonkennedy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 3 cups in 5 years = DYNASTY
Joined: 04.13.2012

Mar 12 @ 5:55 PM ET
As much as I'd like to add Aston-Reese as we could use the added forward depth in that age group, I'd be even more stoked to see Daniel Brickley come our way.
- MaximumBone

The Oilers have one player with a hyphenated last name, and that is enough. If that punk wants to play for the Oil, he needs to pick one last name and go with it.
Mr.Bobby
New Jersey Devils
Location: If you don't chew Big Red, then **** you.
Joined: 05.26.2016

Mar 12 @ 5:57 PM ET
Bold post. You say what needs to be said, but others are too afraid to say. You are like the P.C. of posting.
- leonkennedy



You are a true expert at appreciating fine posting, unlike that jabroni Jero that used to post here.
TheGiftofGod
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.15.2016

Mar 12 @ 6:01 PM ET
That is a huge insult to this guy, comparing him to JB. I betcha the guy in the pic has a job, a GF and doesn't live with his parents.
- leonkennedy


I have a job you tard.


As for everything else...
leonkennedy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 3 cups in 5 years = DYNASTY
Joined: 04.13.2012

Mar 12 @ 6:03 PM ET
I have a job you tard.


As for everything else...

- TheGiftofGod

REPORTED!!! Enjoy your ban. Try to follow the CoC and not make any alts this time.
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