What can they realistically do? The NCAA would block them from signing a contract, the minute they do they're no longer eligible. That would open the door for the NFL to come in and say "well what about us?" If they think a guy needs another year they could draft him, sign him, and send him back to school.

The only thing I can think of is that the player would have to sit for a full year after he completes college if he doesn't sign with the team that drafted him. That's the only disincentive that doesn't encroach on the NCAA that would be enough to make guys sign with the teams that drafted them.

You're right, it is happening more the past few years. They need to nip it in the bud before it starts to become the norm. The teams need some assurances if they're going to draft a guy that he's going to sign with them.
- Wetbandit1

Was thinking about it...what about this:

The team who signs the player (who didn't draft them) has to pay the pick used for the player back to the owning team? It would limit first round run aways but would also give some sort of consolation to the team who lost the player...like paying the 3rd rounder for a coach or something like that. If the player does 5 years (one extra overseas or elsewhere) then the draft pick doesn't apply.

Glad we have that settled. You'll realize later the context of this statement.
- BeadyEyedDouche

I realize your broad attempt to correlate my statements with yours is a poor attempt to show your wit

Ok douche, you're clever

But there's a big difference between saying Bettman sucks,
And saying we'd be better off without hockey

YOU said we'd be better off with out our crappy sports teams...
true or false?

Just go away

That's kind of surprising
Any rumors as to why?
- jdfitz77

Was thinking about it...what about this:

The team who signs the player (who didn't draft them) has to pay the pick used for the player back to the owning team? It would limit first round run aways but would also give some sort of consolation to the team who lost the player...like paying the 3rd rounder for a coach or something like that. If the player does 5 years (one extra overseas or elsewhere) then the draft pick doesn't apply.
- RhinoFan

It's a good thought, but could you imagine if Jack Eichel (drafted at #2) decided he wanted to go to a team like Chicago? The Sabres would get screwed.

It's a good thought, but could you imagine if Jack Eichel (drafted at #2) decided he wanted to go to a team like Chicago? The Sabres would get screwed.
- buffalofan19

No way a player like that sits out 4 years.

I'm not sure I hate it, honestly... But they need to make it so any player under the age of 24 is still obligated to sign an entry-level contract with the team that drafted him.

24 is the magic number. It allows them some freedom for pursuing education and doesn't punish them for it. You get drafted and sign a contract, you're playing professional hockey. Even in the minors, that's a decent chunk of money. Minimum 42k a year. Most college grads are lucky to start at 25k and have to work their way up. It's a decent trade-off, IMO.
- BeadyEyedDouche

You do a lot of what my colleagues call "talking out your ass."

You do a lot of what my colleagues call "talking out your ass."
- Der Kaiser

Makes for a weird gaseous smell to the page as well.

and I thought it was me .

1) unless it's someone Eichel (or whoever) personally knows, I doubt there's contact between college player and & current Sabres
It's not like random guy from Minnesota would have Jack's phone#

2) no Sabre (or player from any organization) is gonna say things to dissuade any player from coming here... makes no sense
- jdfitz77

on another note .............. I was at the game last night and clearly recall Jack's turnover and laziness in responding to it. That is what led to his benching. I'm not saying I agree with it but since nobody on this site is actually in the locker room and is privy to what really goes on .............. I'm going to side with the coach on this one. Jack has a lot to learn in this league and he's getting soem tough love from Bylsma it appears. Jack will be a better player for it in the long run is my guess/hope.

I don't play video games,
- SABRES 89

It's in South Korea you can understand why he's taking precautions
- GERBE!!!75PTS

South Korea is a wonderful country. I've been there perhaps a dozen times over the years. It is quite safe and the people are terrific. If you are simply deferring to the fact it's close to North Korea ..... you get a pass I guess.

PS: They love golf and baseball ........... like by a factor of 10 compared to the US. How could you not like that ??

I realize your broad attempt to correlate my statements with yours is a poor attempt to show your wit

Ok douche, you're clever

But there's a big difference between saying Bettman sucks,
And saying we'd be better off without hockey

YOU said we'd be better off with out our crappy sports teams...
true or false?

Just go away
- jdfitz77

Reading. Comprehension.

I said the best thing for the CITY, THE CITY OF BUFFALO as an ENTITY, would have been for the Bills to leave, at the very least. As a municipality, it would flourish without the sports teams. Number crunching all but proves this theory.

Listen, you seem to think that me criticizing Pegula and where the mentality of our denizens is at right now means I hate Buffalo. My grandmother immigrated here after WWII. My mother grew up on the East Side. I was born in the First Ward. You won't meet a more loyal or homebred Buffalonian (or, Buffaloite). But loyalty doesn't mean support without question.

The people of this town would be better off, in the long run, if our sports culture took a back seat and we curbed our drinking and eating habits. The two go hand in hand, unfortunately. We ARE one of, if not the FATTEST place in the country and consume some of the most alcohol, while also being a top viewership for most sports, not just Hockey.

Who comes to the Harborcenter? People from the suburbs. Wonderful. We have the White Plight coming back to the city now, great.

I'm sick of drunkards and idiots taking everything at face value without question as long as it doesn't effect them personally or negatively. Well then, in that round about way, YOU are the one who doesn't care about Buffalo or it's people. Because what Pegula is doing is directly effecting and adding to an even bigger gap between the poor and segregated, creating a small yet profound gap between the Food Service workers trying to network and jump to one of the miraculous jobs that Pegula has "created" in the very few new white-collar jobs available in this town because of his developments. It's vicious.

I liked Buffalo the way it was. It didn't need a profound change. It needed some local investments in the right areas, Pegula effectively has killed that. He has created a farce surrounding everything he touches.

And just look at the state of our teams. People have NOTHING else to spend their money on in this town, yet Buffalo sports morale has never been lower. So they keep pumping money into a product that has been promised to them as something completely different than it is.

on another note .............. I was at the game last night and clearly recall Jack's turnover and laziness in responding to it. That is what led to his benching. I'm not saying I agree with it but since nobody on this site is actually in the locker room and is privy to what really goes on .............. I'm going to side with the coach on this one. Jack has a lot to learn in this league and he's getting soem tough love from Bylsma it appears. Jack will be a better player for it in the long run is my guess/hope.
- fastek

Good feedback from the stands. As much as we all like Ike, no-one player on this team can be placed ahead of the team itself. Whether it's Jack or Delo, if somebody made a boneheaded play, they should sit to teach them a lesson. It's up to Jack if he wants to learn from that lesson.

on another note .............. I was at the game last night and clearly recall Jack's turnover and laziness in responding to it. That is what led to his benching. I'm not saying I agree with it but since nobody on this site is actually in the locker room and is privy to what really goes on .............. I'm going to side with the coach on this one. Jack has a lot to learn in this league and he's getting soem tough love from Bylsma it appears. Jack will be a better player for it in the long run is my guess/hope.
- fastek

And in the long run (or short run) Bylsma will get fired

on another note .............. I was at the game last night and clearly recall Jack's turnover and laziness in responding to it. That is what led to his benching. I'm not saying I agree with it but since nobody on this site is actually in the locker room and is privy to what really goes on .............. I'm going to side with the coach on this one. Jack has a lot to learn in this league and he's getting soem tough love from Bylsma it appears. Jack will be a better player for it in the long run is my guess/hope.
- fastek

FF to 0:54

South Korea is a wonderful country. I've been there perhaps a dozen times over the years. It is quite safe and the people are terrific. If you are simply deferring to the fact it's close to North Korea ..... you get a pass I guess.

PS: They love golf and baseball ........... like by a factor of 10 compared to the US. How could you not like that ??
- fastek

Somewhat tangentially related to that. Do you know why the Japanese are so fanatical with work i.e. they do calisthenics before work, if you're half an hour early you're late, you have to stay longer than the boss... because some whack job American right after WWII told them that's how it was done in America. And even post WWII they were a very isolated country, so they bought it hook, line, and sinker.

I wish I could find the article.

You do a lot of what my colleagues call "talking out your ass."
- Der Kaiser

Okay, I'll bite. I told you I wasn't going to respond to you anymore, but what about that statement, in particular, was me talking out of my ass?

How about this. You do research before you post. You utilize personal experience in coming to conclusions.

FACT: The MINIMUM salary in the AHL is 42k a year.

FACT: The age when a US Citizen is considered to be an INDEPENDENT STUDENT is, go figure, 24 years of age. Where my number came from.

FACT: Most college degrees earned these days are Associates Degrees and Bachelor's following. 2 and 4 year degrees.

FACT: Most college grads NOW, cannot find work in their Field. Even when they do, an adjunct professor for example, makes an average of $20,000.00 a year, if that. And that's even when they have a Master's Degree.

Most end up serving tables, bartending, working in factories... Which creates job competition in places where there wasn't before; said factories being the place this is most apparent. So it's effectively removing the working-class or "unskilled" laborer, forcing them into the service jobs which then forces the service workers into welfare which creates a very vicious circle of competitive job environments and poverty.

So an NCAA player has a few choices. Jack Eichel is an anomaly. Most college players, if drafted, would be eligible for the AHL, if I'm not mistaken. They are usually middle-class already when they're hockey players. They can choose to make around 50k a year as a young adult and work hard to try and earn an NHL roster spot and get the big money

-or-

They can finish a 4-year degree, stay an extra 2 and try to get their Master's and then make a choice between possibly and probably being in the AHL, now at the age of 24 and making 50k a year or to enter the job market and make the same amount with no room to advance compared to the difference in salary between AHL/NHL and say, Merrill Lynch or JP Morgan and the salary being entirely dependent on who you know and where you go. Merrill Lynch in Binghmaton, for example, is NOT paying what Merrill Lynch in New York City is paying.

And that person who's been trying to do it the RIGHT way by staying in college and getting this education this country farcically values, who is now considered an Independent Student and a "full-fledged" adult now has to be pretty much owned by a professional club that drafted him 6 years earlier and is most likely going to bury them in the minors for some period of time? Yet in every other facet of life is told he has the freedom to choose?

Right.

Good feedback from the stands. As much as we all like Ike, no-one player on this team can be placed ahead of the team itself. Whether it's Jack or Delo, if somebody made a boneheaded play, they should sit to teach them a lesson. It's up to Jack if he wants to learn from that lesson.
- SabreWest

That's great and all but he seems to do it every game now it seems he just does it to eichel

Somewhat tangentially related to that. Do you know why the Japanese are so fanatical with work i.e. they do calisthenics before work, if you're half an hour early you're late, you have to stay longer than the boss... because some whack job American right after WWII told them that's how it was done in America. And even post WWII they were a very isolated country, so they bought it hook, line, and sinker.

I wish I could find the article.
- Wetbandit1

I remember hearing that before . High school history teacher . Was a real historian .

Okay, I'll bite. I told you I wasn't going to respond to you anymore, but what about that statement, in particular, was me talking out of my ass?

How about this. You do research before you post. You utilize personal experience in coming to conclusions.

FACT: The MINIMUM salary in the AHL is 42k a year.

FACT: The age when a US Citizen is considered to be an INDEPENDENT STUDENT is, go figure, 24 years of age. Where my number came from.

FACT: Most college degrees earned these days are Associates Degrees and Bachelor's following. 2 and 4 year degrees.

FACT: Most college grads NOW, cannot find work in their Field. Even when they do, an adjunct professor for example, makes an average of $20,000.00 a year, if that. And that's even when they have a Master's Degree.

Most end up serving tables, bartending, working in factories... Which creates job competition in places where there wasn't before; said factories being the place this is most apparent. So it's effectively removing the working-class or "unskilled" laborer, forcing them into the service jobs which then forces the service workers into welfare which creates a very vicious circle of competitive job environments and poverty.

So an NCAA player has a few choices. Jack Eichel is an anomaly. Most college players, if drafted, would be eligible for the AHL, if I'm not mistaken. They are usually middle-class already when they're hockey players. They can choose to make around 50k a year as a young adult and work hard to try and earn an NHL roster spot and get the big money

-or-

They can finish a 4-year degree, stay an extra 2 and try to get their Master's and then make a choice between possibly and probably being in the AHL, now at the age of 24 and making 50k a year or to enter the job market and make the same amount with no room to advance compared to the difference in salary between AHL/NHL and say, Merrill Lynch or JP Morgan and the salary being entirely dependent on who you know and where you go. Merrill Lynch in Binghmaton, for example, is NOT paying what Merrill Lynch in New York City is paying.

And that person who's been trying to do it the RIGHT way by staying in college and getting this education this country farcically values, who is now considered an Independent Student and a "full-fledged" adult now has to be pretty much owned by a professional club that drafted him 6 years earlier and is most likely going to bury them in the minors for some period of time? Yet in every other facet of life is told he has the freedom to choose?

Right.
- BeadyEyedDouche

Damn Beady .. go refill your keyboard . You used a chit ton of ink.

Okay, I'll bite. I told you I wasn't going to respond to you anymore, but what about that statement, in particular, was me talking out of my ass?

How about this. You do research before you post. You utilize personal experience in coming to conclusions.

FACT: The MINIMUM salary in the AHL is 42k a year.

FACT: The age when a US Citizen is considered to be an INDEPENDENT STUDENT is, go figure, 24 years of age. Where my number came from.

FACT: Most college degrees earned these days are Associates Degrees and Bachelor's following. 2 and 4 year degrees.

FACT: Most college grads NOW, cannot find work in their Field. Even when they do, an adjunct professor for example, makes an average of $20,000.00 a year, if that. And that's even when they have a Master's Degree.

Most end up serving tables, bartending, working in factories... Which creates job competition in places where there wasn't before; said factories being the place this is most apparent. So it's effectively removing the working-class or "unskilled" laborer, forcing them into the service jobs which then forces the service workers into welfare which creates a very vicious circle of competitive job environments and poverty.

So an NCAA player has a few choices. Jack Eichel is an anomaly. Most college players, if drafted, would be eligible for the AHL, if I'm not mistaken. They are usually middle-class already when they're hockey players. They can choose to make around 50k a year as a young adult and work hard to try and earn an NHL roster spot and get the big money

-or-

They can finish a 4-year degree, stay an extra 2 and try to get their Master's and then make a choice between possibly and probably being in the AHL, now at the age of 24 and making 50k a year or to enter the job market and make the same amount with no room to advance compared to the difference in salary between AHL/NHL and say, Merrill Lynch or JP Morgan and the salary being entirely dependent on who you know and where you go. Merrill Lynch in Binghmaton, for example, is NOT paying what Merrill Lynch in New York City is paying.

And that person who's been trying to do it the RIGHT way by staying in college and getting this education this country farcically values, who is now considered an Independent Student and a "full-fledged" adult now has to be pretty much owned by a professional club that drafted him 6 years earlier and is most likely going to bury them in the minors for some period of time? Yet in every other facet of life is told he has the freedom to choose?

Right.
- BeadyEyedDouche

Maybe they shouldn't major in English or philosophy or phys ed, but for those that get 4 year degrees in engineering or other sciences earn a good deal of money. Sure, you might have to move, but there's money to be made on a 4 year degree right out of school.

- mes418

My life is a game . At times I wish I had the restart option.
told my kid today (after he totaled his car on the 990)

He said " I can't win" Told him too stop playing . Just live it.

on another note .............. I was at the game last night and clearly recall Jack's turnover and laziness in responding to it. That is what led to his benching. I'm not saying I agree with it but since nobody on this site is actually in the locker room and is privy to what really goes on .............. I'm going to side with the coach on this one. Jack has a lot to learn in this league and he's getting soem tough love from Bylsma it appears. Jack will be a better player for it in the long run is my guess/hope.
- fastek

Well it's not like we're making the playoffs...
Might as well teach the kids some harsh lessons at this point
I'm fine with the benching
Not that big of a deal

He's just gotta do it with everyone though
No exceptions

Well it's not like we're making the playoffs...
Might as well teach the kids some harsh lessons at this point
I'm fine with the benching
Not that big of a deal

He's just gotta do it with everyone though
No exceptions
- jdfitz77

That's the problem I'm okay with benching I'm on your side but it seems that he's just going after him

That's the problem I'm okay with benching I'm on your side but it seems that he's just going after him
- GERBE!!!75PTS

Growing pains . Dan is doing the right thing with him. Can't let him be a spoiled brat .You mess up and you pay. I'm ok with it .

Reading. Comprehension.

I said the best thing for the CITY, THE CITY OF BUFFALO as an ENTITY, would have been for the Bills to leave, at the very least. As a municipality, it would flourish without the sports teams. Number crunching all but proves this theory.

Listen, you seem to think that me criticizing Pegula and where the mentality of our denizens is at right now means I hate Buffalo. My grandmother immigrated here after WWII. My mother grew up on the East Side. I was born in the First Ward. You won't meet a more loyal or homebred Buffalonian (or, Buffaloite). But loyalty doesn't mean support without question.

The people of this town would be better off, in the long run, if our sports culture took a back seat and we curbed our drinking and eating habits. The two go hand in hand, unfortunately. We ARE one of, if not the FATTEST place in the country and consume some of the most alcohol, while also being a top viewership for most sports, not just Hockey.

Who comes to the Harborcenter? People from the suburbs. Wonderful. We have the White Plight coming back to the city now, great.

I'm sick of drunkards and idiots taking everything at face value without question as long as it doesn't effect them personally or negatively. Well then, in that round about way, YOU are the one who doesn't care about Buffalo or it's people. Because what Pegula is doing is directly effecting and adding to an even bigger gap between the poor and segregated, creating a small yet profound gap between the Food Service workers trying to network and jump to one of the miraculous jobs that Pegula has "created" in the very few new white-collar jobs available in this town because of his developments. It's vicious.

I liked Buffalo the way it was. It didn't need a profound change. It needed some local investments in the right areas, Pegula effectively has killed that. He has created a farce surrounding everything he touches.

And just look at the state of our teams. People have NOTHING else to spend their money on in this town, yet Buffalo sports morale has never been lower. So they keep pumping money into a product that has been promised to them as something completely different than it is.
- BeadyEyedDouche

Now you're saying it's Pegula's fault there aren't more white collar jobs?!

Yet u say u liked what Buffalo was...
well, we're a blue collar town
This isn't Silicon Valley

And building the Harbor center certainly doesn't prevent a company like Apple, or IBM, or blah blah blah company that would create the White Collar jobs that would be in DIRECT CONTRAST to the supposed Buffalo that you love more than everyone else

Good grief
If only u could see how contradictory you sound

But I can tell u think you're the smartest one in the room...
so keep on believing
Thing is, u might actually be the smartest person in your room
But I bet it's pretty lonely there since most ppl don't wanna be around someone so bitter looking down from their high horse

At least you're a legend in your own mind though