That's not bad considering Edlers -39 one season and Bo Horvat's career -40.
- bloatedmosquito

His advanced stats are worse. other than his first 40-50 games, he's been an AHL d-man

this message will have a huge following on HB
- SMBDragon

sweet hockey talk bro

Man...I really think Subban would get destroyed in the NHL. Physically and defensively. That being said, I want it to happed so we can all put this argument to bed. He was absolutely overwhelmed in the young stars tourney against guys his own age. I have only seen a few Utica games this year so I just go off Green's commentary.
- CanuckDon

it wasn't meant specifically at you.

just don't get the "he's a bust" or "let's trade him" talk. it honestly baffles me.
- RealityChecker

I agree. What is his trade value? A 4th round pick? Hang onto him and hope he improves in the minors.

I agree. What is his trade value? A 4th round pick? Hang onto him and hope he improves in the minors.
- CanuckDon

The infatuation is everytime a defenseman is injured there is a chorus calling for Subban to be called up. I guess you must overlook this or are not here when it happens.
I have never claimed that people say he is "a sur fire NHL'er". Never.
- Marwood

so people who want a top 20(?) points wise ahl dman to get a look in the bigs on a sh!tty team with a very sh!tty pp are ludicrous.... but labeling him a bust and saying you can't wait until he's traded is the reasonable approach.

got ya.

sweet hockey talk bro
- WhiteLie

Yeah, this years picnic is going to be epic.

so people who want a top 20(?) points wise ahl dman to get a look in the bigs on a sh!tty team with a very sh!tty pp are ludicrous.... but labeling him a bust and saying you can't wait until he's traded is the reasonable approach.

got ya.
- RealityChecker

Not sure what you mean.

Yeah, this years picnic is going to be epic.
- bloatedmosquito

Can't wait!

That's not bad considering Edlers -39 one season and Bo Horvat's career -40.
- bloatedmosquito

if you read the provies yesterday, botch was showing how "bad" bo is on the pk. basically implying that it is dumb to keep utilising him that way.

i mean, it's not like he's learning and will improve. nope. just look at the stats and deem him a failure. young players never learn or improve through trial (and a lot of times error). i mean, based on bo's +/- last year, we know he's not a 2 way centre right.

i don't go off on the media like some here but that analysis is as dumb as some of the takes here.

Not sure what you mean.
- Marwood

didn't think you would.

if you read the provies yesterday, botch was showing how "bad" bo is on the pk. basically implying that it is dumb to keep utilising him that way.

i mean, it's not like he's learning and will improve. nope. just look at the stats and deem him a failure. young players never learn or improve through trial (and a lot of times error). i mean, based on bo's +/- last year, we know he's not a 2 way centre right.

i don't go off on the media like some here but that analysis is as dumb as some of the takes here.
- RealityChecker

Botch doesn't know jack about hockey. I think Bo is developing great and he should be deployed in all situations.

didn't think you would.
- RealityChecker

Not fighting with you, I didn't really understand your last post. Feel free to clarify or we can agree to disagree and start discussing our favourite "Little Britian" episode.

if you read the provies yesterday, botch was showing how "bad" bo is on the pk. basically implying that it is dumb to keep utilising him that way.

i mean, it's not like he's learning and will improve. nope. just look at the stats and deem him a failure. young players never learn or improve through trial (and a lot of times error). i mean, based on bo's +/- last year, we know he's not a 2 way centre right.

i don't go off on the media like some here but that analysis is as dumb as some of the takes here.
- RealityChecker

He has Sutter platooned in a lot more d situations, but has definetly gotten better. Arguably the best young faceoff man in the league. Thanks Manny!!

if you read the provies yesterday, botch was showing how "bad" bo is on the pk. basically implying that it is dumb to keep utilising him that way.

i mean, it's not like he's learning and will improve. nope. just look at the stats and deem him a failure. young players never learn or improve through trial (and a lot of times error). i mean, based on bo's +/- last year, we know he's not a 2 way centre right.

i don't go off on the media like some here but that analysis is as dumb as some of the takes here.
- RealityChecker

I think we've gone over this scenario before. Situational hockey. Different players succeed in different situations. That's why we have "playoff performers" and "special team" players.

Give kids a shot during a meaningless season and you might be surprised in what you get. No different than taking a shot on someone like stecher.

Not fighting with you, I didn't really understand your last post. Feel free to clarify or we can agree to disagree and start discussing our favourite "Little Britian" episode.
- Marwood

you: other people want to see subban get a shot to see how he will do is total infatuation.... but saying that he's a bust and needs to get traded is reasonable.

Botch doesn't know jack about hockey. I think Bo is developing great and he should be deployed in all situations.
- CanuckDon

He stirs the pot. We all know about that.

He's nothing great. Not sure why all the hype all of a sudden.
His dad owns the whitecaps, must be using the press to get his kid a contract.
- Scooby_Doo

If he was drafted by NJ and didn't honor that and became a free agent I don't want him. I hate scum bags that do that

Botch doesn't know jack about hockey. I think Bo is developing great and he should be deployed in all situations.
- CanuckDon

exactly.

i think he will be the perfect 2nd line (don't get too caught up on labels) centre. best case scenario is that he's kesler who better utilizes his linemates (and is a better teammate but that bar has already been surpassed).

I declined.
- Marwood

.... ..... .... ... ....

I think we've gone over this scenario before. Situational hockey. Different players succeed in different situations. That's why we have "playoff performers" and "special team" players.

Give kids a shot during a meaningless season and you might be surprised in what you get. No different than taking a shot on someone like stecher.
- bloatedmosquito

which is why trying to make the playoffs shouldn't be (have been) a priority.

Morning everyone, I'm leaving the country for 3 weeks, while I'm gone thundachunk will be in charge, so be good or he'll nail you with a thundachunk.

Bye
- Makita

Bring me back a gift

Botch doesn't know jack about hockey. I think Bo is developing great and he should be deployed in all situations.
- CanuckDon

Bo needs a Great PK winger though. Tries to do too much on the PK sometimes.

If he was drafted by NJ and didn't honor that and became a free agent I don't want him. I hate scum bags that do that
- VANTEL

i don't like it either but you have to make the team better. scumbags or not, the team needs talent and they can't afford to not take chances on guys.

you: other people want to see subban get a shot to see how he will do is total infatuation.... but saying that he's a bust and needs to get traded is reasonable.
- RealityChecker

There is a bit of tongue & cheek in my responses about Subban. I ( me and MAYBE others) see an 'infatuation' when the Canucks need a D-man, so I react ( in my mind, with comic relief) by saying "Subban sucks". This is what I meant earlier by saying don't take me so seriously.
Mountain vs molehill.