This is why the Sedins bring no value as vet leadership for a youth movement IMO.
- DrChristianTroy

Exactly.

He is a dumbass Quebec frog that complains about everything.


One thing I learnt growing up there is the people are stupid there, and they have the manners of a barnyard pig
- VANTEL

That's great...........I'm going to be a Papa again.............see how I diffused that.

He is a dumbass Quebec frog that complains about everything.


One thing I learnt growing up there is the people are stupid there, and they have the manners of a barnyard pig
- VANTEL

wow. wtf.

That's great...........I'm going to be a Papa again.............see how I diffused that.
- A_SteamingLombardi

He is a dumbass Quebec frog that complains about everything.


One thing I learnt growing up there is the people are stupid there, and they have the manners of a barnyard pig
- VANTEL

This is why the Sedins bring no value as vet leadership for a youth movement IMO.
- DrChristianTroy

They have a different style which you may not like. But is it effective should be the question. Do you see the youth or new guys slacking off or not competing hard?

I see mistakes by the young guys that lead to break downs or goals. Plus Sedins getting outpaced or outstepped on the defensive side now. Which is just how Father Time and the speed of the game being faster has gone for them.

That's great...........I'm going to be a Papa again.............see how I diffused that.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Congrats

Yeah I get that desire for the Cup. But there are life realities too for players. If that's the sole reason you choose a team likely to be disappointed. When has that ever worked for someone? I got Boston's French D legend to Avalanche before retirement.

But you know with how balanced and close teams are today anyone with a decent team can win in the playoffs. It's impossible to predict and injuries are huge. Players want to win with the team they are on. They usually believe with some changes and luck they have a chance. Edler probably thinks the Nucks can turn it around at some point and he wants to be here to be a part of it.

Remember, it takes years to develop D. If I had to trade a Canuck veteran D it would be Tanev for value and contract flexibility. I like Tanev better then Edler. But Edler is more durable. Can hit and hold the #1D position until Nucks develop one a few years from now.
- Nuck4U

I get that players have lives, I respect it. The older guys with kids have more to worry about than the bachelors. But the point was that the mentors the team has had are not breeding a "winning culture" as advertised. They help win a few games because they are decent hockey players, but doing everything it takes to win isnt what this team has been about for the past several seasons. I hope the kids hate losing and it starts a fresh core of guys that want to win

And for what its worth, guys waive NTC's or sign with teams purely to win all the time. Bourque didnt win the year he was traded but it happened the next year. Hossa went to the finals 3 years in a row trying to win before it did. Handzus waived to go to Chicago in 2013, Gaborik to LA in 14, Daley waived his last season, and others do it and dont win. Point is they want to win

That's great...........I'm going to be a Papa again.............see how I diffused that.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Congrats

- RealityChecker

dank

dank
- A_SteamingLombardi

Why????????????/

They have a different style which you may not like. But is it effective should be the question. Do you see the youth or new guys slacking off or not competing hard?

I see mistakes by the young guys that lead to break downs or goals. Plus Sedins getting outpaced or outstepped on the defensive side now. Which is just how Father Time and the speed of the game being faster has gone for them.
- Nuck4U

Is it effective? No. Their betamale leadership resulted in collapse after collapse when it mattered.

Congrats
- VANTEL

Thanks
1st week of Sept I'm flying business class (hopefully on an A380) to OZ for the birth of number 2 and meet the in-laws

I get that players have lives, I respect it. The older guys with kids have more to worry about than the bachelors. But the point was that the mentors the team has had are not breeding a "winning culture" as advertised. They help win a few games because they are decent hockey players, but doing everything it takes to win isnt what this team has been about for the past several seasons. I hope the kids hate losing and it starts a fresh core of guys that want to win

And for what its worth, guys waive NTC's or sign with teams purely to win all the time. Bourque didnt win the year he was traded but it happened the next year. Hossa went to the finals 3 years in a row trying to win before it did. Handzus waived to go to Chicago in 2013, Gaborik to LA in 14, Daley waived his last season, and others do it and dont win. Point is they want to win
- WhiteLie

To win yes. It's a factor. It's not the only one when they waive. Again depends on contract year too. Hossa did bounce around back then. Why hasn't he since cause of other factors. Last guy's I remember did a move to purely win was Teemmu and Kariya as you know didn't work out for the Avs.

Again, I don't discount that desire as a factor. But don't buy into the lip service rhetoric. It's a business and life decisions as well all play a part. Why NTC's are great for players to control their lives. That's what they want. They take less money to get them. It's not great for teams when GM's need to make moves for an ever changing environment.

This is why the Sedins bring no value as vet leadership for a youth movement IMO.
- DrChristianTroy

In all due respect to sedins this turn the other cheek culture has got to go, its bullcrap, get in there and fight for your franking teammates.

Thanks
1st week of Sept I'm flying business class (hopefully on an A380) to OZ for the birth of number 2 and meet the in-laws
- A_SteamingLombardi

Oh you mean Grandpa



I thought you mean you were having a kid with the GF


Then double congrats

Thanks
1st week of Sept I'm flying business class (hopefully on an A380) to OZ for the birth of number 2 and meet the in-laws
- A_SteamingLombardi

beer helps

Thanks
1st week of Sept I'm flying business class (hopefully on an A380) to OZ for the birth of number 2 and meet the in-laws
- A_SteamingLombardi

Good on you. Nice dedication. Congrats and Enjoy.

Thanks
1st week of Sept I'm flying business class (hopefully on an A380) to OZ for the birth of number 2 and meet the in-laws
- A_SteamingLombardi

Congrats buddy.

To win yes. It's a factor. It's not the only one when they waive. Again depends on contract year too. Hossa did bounce around back then. Why hasn't he since cause of other factors. Last guy's I remember did a move to purely win was Teemmu and Kariya as you know didn't work out for the Avs.

Again, I don't discount that desire as a factor. But don't buy into the lip service rhetoric. It's a business and life decisions as well all play a part. Why NTC's are great for players to control their lives. That's what they want. They take less money to get them. It's not great for teams when GM's need to make moves for an ever changing environment.
- Nuck4U

Kariya was also got injured, a healthy kariya could of been a whole different turnout

Is it effective? No. Their betamale leadership resulted in collapse after collapse when it mattered.
- DrChristianTroy

Not to open the playoff can of worms but you were talking about youth movement and mentoring.

To win yes. It's a factor. It's not the only one when they waive. Again depends on contract year too. Hossa did bounce around back then. Why hasn't he since cause of other factors. Last guy's I remember did a move to purely win was Teemmu and Kariya as you know didn't work out for the Avs.

Again, I don't discount that desire as a factor. But don't buy into the lip service rhetoric. It's a business and life decisions as well all play a part. Why NTC's are great for players to control their lives. That's what they want. They take less money to get them. It's not great for teams when GM's need to make moves for an ever changing environment.
- Nuck4U

Well Hossa signed a 12-13 year deal, won 2 more cups after that and is still on a perennial contender so hes happy staying there for now, thats why he hasnt moved anymore

I am a support of NTC's, players earn them and they give up money for control of their lives and families. I know Edler is well within his right to not waive it, I was just voicing my displeasure that he appears complacent in going through a rebuild. His demeanor seems unaffected whether this team is going to the Stanley Cup or fighting for last place (which I guess can be good in some regards)

Thanks
1st week of Sept I'm flying business class (hopefully on an A380) to OZ for the birth of number 2 and meet the in-laws
- A_SteamingLombardi

OZ in-laws gotta be kinda fun right?

Congrats and enjoy it!

Not to open the playoff can of worms but you were talking about youth movement and mentoring.
- Nuck4U

Well yeah... We're the Canucks, not the Cucknucks. They'd only be qualified to wear letters on the latter.

Oh you mean Grandpa



I thought you mean you were having a kid with the GF


Then double congrats
- VANTEL

Thank god for hysterectomies ( just joking)