That's your interpretation. Not what I said. It's simple. You learn from trying to win. It doesn't mean you won't lose or have failures. But the trying is what counts. If you try to lose by tanking what do you learn?
- Nuck4U

So are you going to alienate the entire board (again) tonight?

I really don't understand how a feast or famine producer who doesn't bring a tenacious all around game can be a "clear #2".

If any other prospect had scored just 1 goal in the Q over the past 40 days, he'd be dropped out of the 1st round. I'm not saying Nico should be, but c'mon...
- DrChristianTroy

He's also got a really low floor compared to most of the the other top 5 rated picks, and chances are he doesn't make the ceiling he's projected to reach. A lot of people want him with the #1 pick, but I'd take Patrick all day and twice on Sundays just because while he might not have as high a ceiling, he's more likely to actually reach his ceiling and be a decent 1C even if he might not be elite.

To me, Hischler is like a Swiss Yakupov, flashy but likely to bust out.

alot of people will say a players stats in the "Q" are inflated and don't mean as much if they have a dislike for a player


just can't win
- onesmallleap

Why does everyone assume I have a vendetta against Nico & the Q because I don't believe he's a clear top 2 prospect in this draft

Do you think that Horvat and Boeser are the guys to build around or do you think you guys still need to find that guy?
- RatedR80

Hard to say. Bo has the leader category now. There is OJ too and Demko too as important core players. Tree as well. Just still a lot of questionmarks. Reason being that everyone of those can be a nice piece. But are they bona fide franchise players?!? Well they don't have the superstar cache coming into league. Potential and promise sure. Neither does anyone in this draft. So Nucks will have to build for now like CBJ. A collection of great players.

You got plenty of controversies. Funny how some were thinking I was your alt account. So careful how you sling mud. It goes both ways.
- Nuck4U

wrong again!

Why does everyone assume I have a vendetta against Nico & the Q because I don't believe he's a clear top 2 prospect in this draft
- DrChristianTroy

i didn't mean it like that , sorry . I've had discussions with people about players and if a player has more offence coming from the Q , alot will write that off as its a more offensive league

anyways i want Liljegren

He's also got a really low floor compared to most of the the other top 5 rated picks, and chances are he doesn't make the ceiling he's projected to reach. A lot of people want him with the #1 pick, but I'd take Patrick all day and twice on Sundays just because while he might not have as high a ceiling, he's more likely to actually reach his ceiling and be a decent 1C even if he might not be elite.

To me, Hischler is like a Swiss Yakupov, flashy but likely to bust out.
- DariusKnight

This is hilarious because that's basically my note beside his name... "draft year skillset = poor man's Yakupov who can take faceoffs"

alot of people will say a players stats in the "Q" are inflated and don't mean as much if they have a dislike for a player


just can't win
- onesmallleap

The myth about the Q having way higher scores is wrong as well. It might of been true years ago but it's been show that recently the 3 leagues are actually quite similar. WHL is generally lower than the other 2 but the OHL has had more goals scored per game some seasons that n the Q.

This is hilarious because that's basically my note beside his name... "draft year skillset = poor man's Yakupov who can take faceoffs"
- DrChristianTroy

or Alexander Daigle

You got plenty of controversies. Funny how some were thinking I was your alt account. So careful how you sling mud. It goes both ways.
- Nuck4U

Bring it on sweetheart

The myth about the Q having way higher scores is wrong as well. It might of been true years ago but it's been show that recently the 3 leagues are actually quite similar. WHL is generally lower than the other 2 but the OHL has had more goals scored per game some seasons that n the Q.
- belcherbd

I completely agree with you , some have preconceived notions that a 100 points in the Q is less of a feat then a hundred in the OHL or WHL

This is hilarious because that's basically my note beside his name... "draft year skillset = poor man's Yakupov who can take faceoffs"
- DrChristianTroy

We actually agree on something DCT? What is the world coming to???

At least it's on someone we WON'T be drafting

He's also got a really low floor compared to most of the the other top 5 rated picks, and chances are he doesn't make the ceiling he's projected to reach. A lot of people want him with the #1 pick, but I'd take Patrick all day and twice on Sundays just because while he might not have as high a ceiling, he's more likely to actually reach his ceiling and be a decent 1C even if he might not be elite.

To me, Hischler is like a Swiss Yakupov, flashy but likely to bust out.
- DariusKnight

Nobody predicted Yakapov had a high likelihood to bust out.....Even then I think only a handful of players in that draft have performed better than him so far.

I agree Patrick is the clear cut #1 just like Nico is #2 but I don't understand the bust likelihood comparison.

You got plenty of controversies. Funny how some were thinking I was your alt account. So careful how you sling mud. It goes both ways.
- Nuck4U

Mind the wrong accusations son.

Check the COC

Nobody predicted Yakapov had a high likelihood to bust out.....Even then I think only a handful of players in that draft have performed better than him so far.

I agree Patrick is the clear cut #1 just like Nico is #2 but I don't understand the bust likelihood comparison.
- belcherbd

It's because while his ceiling is projected to be better than Patrick (Elite 1C vs Decent to Good 1C) his floor is extremely low (Career AHL Top Line/Replacement NHL) and he's got consistency and commitment issues which makes his likelihood of hitting his ceiling very low. It also doesn't help that he's smaller than Patrick and needs to put on weight to be able to absorb the sort of hits that you get in the NHL. Speed kills, and it kills both ways, one big hit could end his career if he's not careful in the NHL.

This is hilarious because that's basically my note beside his name... "draft year skillset = poor man's Yakupov who can take faceoffs"
- DrChristianTroy

I haven't watched him enough to make an informed decision but I was intrigued by his pro experience. To me based on the stats he has put up, it seems like he has high potential of growth but will likely be returned to Jr for another season for it to be recognized. He didn't put up big numbers over in Switzerland and this is his first NA season, so he has had to learn and adjust a lot.

It'll be interesting to see how it plays out though considering the muddled reviews on here and from the media guys

or Alexander Daigle

- onesmallleap

Why the options to draft are not tantalizing. There is more higher praise of guys ranked lower then higher it seems. I bet JB with his top pick doesn't gamble with a "skill" guy and goes for solid two way with size.

It's because while his ceiling is projected to be better than Patrick (Elite 1C vs Decent to Good 1C) his floor is extremely low (Career AHL Top Line/Replacement NHL) and he's got consistency and commitment issues which makes his likelihood of hitting his ceiling very low. It also doesn't help that he's smaller than Patrick and needs to put on weight to be able to absorb the sort of hits that you get in the NHL. Speed kills, and it kills both ways, one big hit could end his career if he's not careful in the NHL.
- DariusKnight

Sure and like I said Patrick is the clear top dawg for those reasons and others IMO but I'm not sure that makes Nico have a high likelihood of busting. There have been so few busts in the top 3 let alone big disappointments but I guess that also goes along with what your ( not you specifically) expectations are.

I have no doubt that both these guys will be good NHLers.

Pride people.

Pride is on the line...

alot of people will say a players stats in the "Q" are inflated and don't mean as much if they have a dislike for a player


just can't win
- onesmallleap

I think the stats in the Q are inflated except for the top prospects. It's been a long while that a top rated player from the Q has been a bust.
Ehlers
Mackinnon
Drouin
Huberdeau
Couturier
Not so bad. Past that though after the 10 little more suspect.

Sure and like I said Patrick is the clear top dawg for those reasons and others IMO but I'm not sure that makes Nico have a high likelihood of busting. There have been so few busts in the top 3 let alone big disappointments but I guess that also goes along with what your ( not you specifically) expectations are.

I have no doubt that both these guys will be good NHLers.
- belcherbd

Patrick has some big cons to skillset too though. There's nothing "clear" about who will be the best player coming out of this draft.

Patrick has some big cons to skillset too though. There's nothing "clear" about who will be the best player coming out of this draft.
- DrChristianTroy

Liljegren = the swedish Doughty that shoots like PK Subban....can't miss

Liljegren = the swedish Doughty that shoots like PK Subban....can't miss
- onesmallleap

i prefer Makar

Patrick has some big cons to skillset too though. There's nothing "clear" about who will be the best player coming out of this draft.
- DrChristianTroy

I agree that Patrick has some flags most notably his skating, but I guess that's where we disagree I do think that those two are at this point the best prospects.

I'm the first guy in here to temper expectations and just because I view them as a cut above the rest in their daft class, these things are always a crap shoot and we won't know how the cards will fall in a couple of years.

i prefer Makar
- DrChristianTroy