Much like D men power forwards are just harder to gauge ...you can get lucky and find gems in the 4th or 5th rounds ...guys who aren't NHL ready at 18 but end up better than many first rounders ....which is why you are better off to take skill in the first round over size
- Redmile247

U forget speed & his goal scoring ability.

I don't buy into it, perimeter wingers are 3rd and 4th line guys. Power forwards like Dustin Brown and Milan Lucic, true power forwards, were having success at 20 years old.

Brown had 29 goals 74 points in 79 AHL games, Lucic had 17 goals 42 points in the NHL as a 20 year old.
- LeftCoaster

Comes down to psychology. True alphas (mentally & physically) don't have any problem transitioning. Need that mentality - knowing you can step in & impose your will on full grown adults. The late blooming power forwards are the guys who haven't caught up mentally to where they are physically. For those guys, it takes some "aha" moments through experience...

I mean he's helping the tank big time but why risk further injury that could potentially be more serious?
- Nucker101

This is true

Comes down to psychology. True alphas (mentally & physically) don't have any problem transitioning. Need that mentality - knowing you can step in & impose your will on full grown adults. The late blooming power forwards are the guys who haven't caught up mentally to where they are physically. For those guys, it takes some "aha" moments through experience...
- DrChristianTroy

Never bought into player comparisons.
19-20yr old kids don't step into the NHL with a bang very often.

Comes down to psychology. True alphas (mentally & physically) don't have any problem transitioning. Need that mentality - knowing you can step in & impose your will on full grown adults. The late blooming power forwards are the guys who haven't caught up mentally to where they are physically. For those guys, it takes some "aha" moments through experience...
- DrChristianTroy

I don't think there's as many true power forwards as people label guys, but, you're right in that it's a confidence thing, in part. Development is key for any kid, not just bigger guys.

U forget speed & his goal scoring ability.
- Nighthawk

I wasn't really referring to one player in general

Never bought into player comparisons.
19-20yr old kids don't step into the NHL with a bang very often.
- Nighthawk

And this ties into "power forwards take longer to develop" how?

And this ties into "power forwards take longer to develop" how?
- LeftCoaster

It's an easy narrative to use if you have a power forward type that's is under performing ...

And this ties into "power forwards take longer to develop" how?
- LeftCoaster

Than perimeter wingers. Harder to be a power forward & impact the game while playng smart. Playing against men is a transition.
- Nighthawk

Playing against kids in Jr is not playing against men.
Its not a straightforward transition. Adding to that we sucked without him having anyone to play with. He didn't have either a Bergeron or Krejci like Lucic had.

Willie moving Chaput with the Sedin's and Granlund with Bo/Sven.

I kinda expected to see some people in here freaking out

Playing against kids in Jr is not playing against men.
Its not a straightforward transition. Adding to that we sucked without him having anyone to play with. He didn't have either a Bergeron or Krejci like Lucic had.
- Nighthawk

You're just making excuses for him, he's just not gonna be what people had hoped, myself included. Just accept it.

It's an easy narrative to use if you have a power forward type that's is under performing ...
- Redmile247

Bingo....

You're just making excuses for him, he's just not gonna be what people had hoped, myself included. Just accept it.
- LeftCoaster

Ok he had an allstar lineup of veterans last year.
We had no injuries & he is a lost cause.
Your a depresse person.

Do tell what my hopes r for him?

Willie moving Chaput with the Sedin's and Granlund with Bo/Sven.

I kinda expected to see some people in here freaking out
- WhiteLie

I'm okay with that, not like WD has much to work with at this point. I could see Granlund fitting in well with Bo/Sven, they need a guy who goes to the net. Forecheck will be weak though, none of those 3 are great on the forecheck, entire team is obviously weak in that department after losing Hansen/Burrows.

I'm okay with that, not like WD has much to work with at this point. I could see Granlund fitting in well with Bo/Sven, they need a guy who goes to the net. Forecheck will be weak though, none of those 3 are great on the forecheck, entire team is obviously weak in that department after losing Hansen/Burrows.
- Nucker101

Trading Hansen & Burrows we lost a lot of energy & puck retrieval.
Opportunity for others to step it up.

It's an easy narrative to use if you have a power forward type that's is under performing ...
- Redmile247

No doubt, I think it's mainly because they just have more promise and when they play well, they look more dominant than a skill/speed guy. We saw it with Bernier and Kassian. Jake is obviously a much better skater than those 2 though so he should at least be able to provide energy on the forecheck and disrupt all over the ice when his offense isn't there.

He was floating way too much in Vancouver this year and never really threw his weight around. He's doing a better job of it in Utica now.

I don't buy into it, perimeter wingers are 3rd and 4th line guys. Power forwards like Dustin Brown and Milan Lucic, true power forwards, were having success at 20 years old.

Brown had 29 goals 74 points in 79 AHL games, Lucic had 17 goals 42 points in the NHL as a 20 year old.
- LeftCoaster

Let's be honest. Most people base it on one player. Bertuzzi.

@LC

This is my outlook on JV.
Immature & he cost himself 2yrs of his ELC & will lose out on money cuz of it.
He will get a team offered bridge deal & we save money.
I project him as getting a shot on the 3rd line next training camp.
He plays either wing & he has competition from more depth that JB has acquired.
Likelyhood is he is Utica again next year. The extra year there will help him.
He can be a 20 goal 3rd liner & move up when needed. He will need to impact games regularily or his ice time will go up n down on his play.

Let's be honest. Most people base it on one player. Bertuzzi.
- boonerbuck

Bert's a perfect example of a guy who was mentally finesse 'til he realized he was capable of being a bull in a China shop without sacrificing creativity & skill.

Glass half full, that's better odds than every other team but two
- LeftCoaster

Three. You forget it's not better then Vegas. Don't know why you don't seem to realize the significance of their effect in the lotto and draft overall.

You're just making excuses for him, he's just not gonna be what people had hoped, myself included. Just accept it.
- LeftCoaster

Maybe not. I don't see why people had been saying wait and see on Shink to judge that trade for the last year but have written off JV already. It's funny how that works.

I want to see how JV handles his summer, training camp and preseason. If he shows up a punk again and is sent down,,,, then I write him off as not living up to potential. I'm just very concerned at this point.

Bert's a perfect example of a guy who was mentally finesse 'til he realized he was capable of being a bull in a China shop without sacrificing creativity & skill.
- DrChristianTroy

Similar but Bert was more playmaker & JV more shooter.
JV has to bring his speed all game & every game.
He has to bang & let ops D he is coming & forcheck.
No nights off

Three. You forget it's not better then Vegas. Don tell know why you don't seem to realize the significance of their effect in the lotto and draft overall.
- Nuck4U

2 not 3. He said better.

I'm okay with that, not like WD has much to work with at this point. I could see Granlund fitting in well with Bo/Sven, they need a guy who goes to the net. Forecheck will be weak though, none of those 3 are great on the forecheck, entire team is obviously weak in that department after losing Hansen/Burrows.
- Nucker101

I personally think its great putting the best 3 offensive forwards from this season together, I think all 3 think the game well and are good puck distributors. They do fairly well as a PP unit, so Im intrigued to see how they do (while also hoping this means Goldoblin will slot in for Chaput with the twins when healthy)

WD following through with the play the kids mandate

Maybe not. I don't see why people had been saying wait and see on Shink to judge that trade for the last year but have written off JV already. It's funny how that works.

I want to see how JV handles his summer, training camp and preseason. If he shows up a punk again and is sent down,,,, then I write him off as not living up to potential. I'm just very concerned at this point.
- boonerbuck

If JV is not accountable & is not disappointed in himself then its trouble.
In Utica he is better served getting more practices in. Next year i will be more critical if he gets it or not. Its between the ears is where we all r worried.