I still don't believe you understand how the lottery works
- LeftCoaster

More then you by your ommissions to the factor that Vegas plays

It's obvious you want to color the tank important even in a draft year with so many issues. That said no matter where the Canucks finish I hope they win at least one of the 3 lotto spots. Okay then.

Food poisoning, mumps, Virtanens a whale apparently...... did the Canucks suddenly go on an Arby's diet? The team Yogi's don't seem to be doing the trick

More then you by your ommissions to the factor that Vegas plays

It's obvious you want to color the tank important even in a draft year with so many issues. That said no matter where the Canucks finish I hope they win at least one of the 3 lotto spots. Okay then.
- Nuck4U

I don't think of this draft as having "issues", it's just like any other draft except the Vegas factor. If they lose the first overall there's still two lotteries for the 2nd and 3rd overall picks that they can win.

Winning any one of the three spots means you can either A) select the player you want before most other teams, or, B) they can trade down for extra picks (which is a win in and of itself).

Absolutely zero 'bad' can come from them tanking hard and finishing as low as they can at this point in the season.

I don't think of this draft as having "issues", it's just like any other draft except the Vegas factor. If they lose the first overall there's still two lotteries for the 2nd and 3rd overall picks that they can win.

Winning any one of the three spots means you can either A) select the player you want before most other teams, or, B) they can trade down for extra picks (which is a win in and of itself).

Absolutely zero 'bad' can come from them tanking hard and finishing as low as they can at this point in the season.
- LeftCoaster[/quote]




Other than PR/ business stuff I agree with you. They might as well shut down Tanev/Sutter/Sedins for the rest of the season, go hard again for next season, I think the pieces are here to potentially make the playoffs next year.

I don't like tanking, but we're out of it anyways so it just makes sense to subtly lose games.

Shut Tanev/Sutter/Sedins down for the season. Play Bo/Edler 25 minutes a night, everyones happy. I'd also force Gauce to go back to Center for the remainder of the season.... he's not a very good winger. If he's going to only play two way hockey, let him play it at centre imo.

I personally think its great putting the best 3 offensive forwards from this season together, I think all 3 think the game well and are good puck distributors. They do fairly well as a PP unit, so Im intrigued to see how they do (while also hoping this means Goldoblin will slot in for Chaput with the twins when healthy)

WD following through with the play the kids mandate
- WhiteLie

Yeah guess there is a need for offensive push. But then he's isolating Boucher. Thought he had a good game. Looked good with top minutes. So why not shooter Boucher to play with twins now over grinder Chaput?

Even Bertuzzi had an 18 goal season with the Islanders as a 20 year old.
- LeftCoaster

Jake had 7 goals in 55 games in his draft season playing in the bottom 6 and had a really strong finish. 128 hits. I'm not disappointed in his rookie season considering it was his draft year.

I still feel it's a case of a set back season. Last season it looked like he needed a attitude adjustment coming out of the WJC. We saw the adjustment immediately... this summer may change all the dread over this... or not. We'll see...

Food poisoning, mumps, Virtanens a whale apparently...... did the Canucks suddenly go on an Arby's diet? The team Yogi's don't seem to be doing the trick
- Crazybagoham

Didn't you know? The team hired Wellwood as the nutritionist.

Just hard work and a little luck and we'll probably hit it big


Edit: oh! I forgot the bounces.

Jake had 7 goals in 55 games in his draft season playing in the bottom 6 and had a really strong finish. 128 hits. I'm not disappointed in his rookie season considering it was his draft year.

I still feel it's a case of a set back season. Last season it looked like he needed a attitude adjustment coming out of the WJC. We saw the adjustment immediately... this summer may change all the dread over this... or not. We'll see...
- boonerbuck

I'm hopeful but my expectations have dropped.

Just hard work and a little luck and we'll probably hit it big


Edit: oh! I forgot the bounces.
- A_SteamingLombardi

That sounds a lot like my golf game

Time for JV to step up. Toronto Marlies lost today. With 2 games in hand Utica can tie them for the last playoff spot with 2 wins.

I don't think of this draft as having "issues", it's just like any other draft except the Vegas factor. If they lose the first overall there's still two lotteries for the 2nd and 3rd overall picks that they can win.

Winning any one of the three spots means you can either A) select the player you want before most other teams, or, B) they can trade down for extra picks (which is a win in and of itself).

Absolutely zero 'bad' can come from them tanking hard and finishing as low as they can at this point in the season.
- LeftCoaster

That's not an accurate accounting. Apathy, losing culture, set backs in development of younger players. I can go on.

I covered the 3 lotto spots and hope they get one them. Did you miss that!?!? Or are you so religiously tied to tanking that you got set off?

Look they will finish in the bottom somewhere. It doesn't really matter where. They will get a good shot at a lotto pick. It actually might be worse if they tank hard to finish low and then drop spots this draft. So I'm just not sweating it if the kids play and score and win some games. If they get opportunities yet lose and drop in the standings that's fine too.

Maybe Boucher finds a grove and produces. Goldy recovers from his plague and shines. His 15lbs loss wow why could they have not exposed JV to that beginning of the season

Bachman plays tonight?

That's not an accurate accounting. Apathy, losing culture, set backs in development of younger players. I can go on.

I covered the 3 lotto spots and hope they get them. Did you miss that!?!? Or are you so religiously tied to tanking that you got set off?

Look they will finish in the bottom somewhere. It doesn't really matter where. They will get their shot at a lotto pick. It actually might be worse if they tank hard to finish low and then drop spots this draft. So I'm just not sweating it if the kids play and score and win some games. If they get opportunities yet lose and drop in the standings that's fine too.

Maybe Boucher gets a grove. Goldy recovers from his plague and shines. His 15lbs loss wow why could they have not exposed JV to that beginning of the season
- Nuck4U

Apathy has already set in, you don't establish a "losing culture" in 14 games and with increased minutes I certainly don't see regression in their younger players. Their best young player has done nothing but get better and better in the losing environment over the past two years...not buyin it!

Apathy has already set in, you don't establish a "losing culture" in 14 games and with increased minutes I certainly don't see regression in their younger players. Their best young player has done nothing but get better and better in the losing environment over the past two years...not buyin it!
- LeftCoaster

Bachman plays tonight?
- LordHumungous

Bachman should play every night so he gets picked by Vegas.

That's not an accurate accounting. Apathy, losing culture, set backs in development of younger players. I can go on.

I covered the 3 lotto spots and hope they get one them. Did you miss that!?!? Or are you so religiously tied to tanking that you got set off?

Look they will finish in the bottom somewhere. It doesn't really matter where. They will get a good shot at a lotto pick. It actually might be worse if they tank hard to finish low and then drop spots this draft. So I'm just not sweating it if the kids play and score and win some games. If they get opportunities yet lose and drop in the standings that's fine too.

Maybe Boucher finds a grove and produces. Goldy recovers from his plague and shines. His 15lbs loss wow why could they have not exposed JV to that beginning of the season
- Nuck4U

That's not an accurate accounting. Apathy, losing culture, set backs in development of younger players. I can go on.

I covered the 3 lotto spots and hope they get one them. Did you miss that!?!? Or are you so religiously tied to tanking that you got set off?

Look they will finish in the bottom somewhere. It doesn't really matter where. They will get a good shot at a lotto pick. It actually might be worse if they tank hard to finish low and then drop spots this draft. So I'm just not sweating it if the kids play and score and win some games. If they get opportunities yet lose and drop in the standings that's fine too.

Maybe Boucher finds a grove and produces. Goldy recovers from his plague and shines. His 15lbs loss wow why could they have not exposed JV to that beginning of the season
- Nuck4U

I dont understand the losing culture thing. The team has lost way more games than they have won in the past 2 seasons, do we still have a winning culture? The vets here dont seem to care about winning, they want to go down with the ship. I could go on and on. Also when you bring in drafted players, most are "winners" (see Taylor Hall, any London Knight, Team Canada WJC players usually)

I think you're describing a competitive culture, where spots are not gifted to players and they have to earn ice time and opportunity. At this point of the season, there is no longer a need for competition, this is the best preseason experience these kids can have. 10-12 games is nothing, we always say at the beginning of the year to wait that long before judging line combos, coaches, etc. so just ride it out to the bottom as it wont affect anything but draft position

Thunda, I like your Cale Makar ranking. The more I see/read about him, the more I want him.
- Nucker101

He was off my radar until about 3 months ago. Seems like a legit future#1 defencman.

Apathy has already set in, you don't establish a "losing culture" in 14 games and with increased minutes I certainly don't see regression in their younger players. Their best young player has done nothing but get better and better in the losing environment over the past two years...not buyin it!
- LeftCoaster

You stopped reading again and missed the point. Here's the difference. Tanking hard is a purposeful creation by the team to lose. At this point it really doesn't matter. Let the kids play and win or lose it's all the same as long as they put in the effort. They will get a good shot at one of the 3 lotto spots either way.

Don't be so set on to purposefully losing nothing really gained there. It's an illusion. What matters is the results and we are on the same page. Hope for good luck and Nucks Win a lotto draw.

Again, at least for optics, positive karma, whatever, I rather they win and climb in the lotto then lose and drop. Maybe that's the difference here with our perspectives.

I dont understand the losing culture thing. The team has lost way more games than they have won in the past 2 seasons, do we still have a winning culture? The vets here dont seem to care about winning, they want to go down with the ship. I could go on and on. Also when you bring in drafted players, most are "winners" (see Taylor Hall, any London Knight, Team Canada WJC players usually)

I think you're describing a competitive culture, where spots are not gifted to players and they have to earn ice time and opportunity. At this point of the season, there is no longer a need for competition, this is the best preseason experience these kids can have. 10-12 games is nothing, we always say at the beginning of the year to wait that long before judging line combos, coaches, etc. so just ride it out to the bottom as it wont affect anything but draft position
- WhiteLie

We could write a whole thesis on this between each other. But simply put. There's a difference. Putting an effort to compete and trying to win. As opposed to never being in a game and getting hammered. The latter develops a culture to lose.

We could write a whole thesis on this between each other. But simply put. There's a difference in competing and trying to win. Over never being in a game and getting hammered. The latter develops a culture to lose.
- Nuck4U

By your standards, 29 teams in the NHL are developing a winning culture. And even the Avs weren't expecting to actually tank this year so I guess all 30 teams are building winning cultures.

By your standards, 29 teams in the NHL are developing a winning culture. And even the Avs weren't expecting to actually tank this year so I guess all 30 teams are building winning cultures.
- Nucker101

That's your interpretation. Not what I said. It's simple. You learn from trying to win. It doesn't mean you won't lose or have failures. But the trying is what counts. If you try to lose by tanking what do you learn?

We could write a whole thesis on this between each other. But simply put. There's a difference in competing and trying to win. Over never being in a game and getting hammered. The latter develops a culture to lose.
- Nuck4U

Lefty was suggesting tanking hard this season. Compete hard all year, give it your best but when you're out, bow out and help your future. You cannot create or alter a culture over the last 15 games of a season, likewise you cannot create positive momentum for next season either.

Remember how hot Sven finished the year and how cold he started? Or how Etem finished April with 4 goals and 5 points in the last 5 games? Both were positive finishes that didn't affect the next season.

Also for what its worth, this is the new parity NHL no one gets hammered regularly. Even the Avalanche who have been truly awful this year, lead the league in 1-goal game losses suggesting there have been plenty they have been "in"

Getting in to the top 3 at the draft would be a huge chance at first overall pick Nolan Patrick.

Anybody have someone different for the first overall? Or he he the consensus pick at one?
- thundachunk

I want JB to draft speed and skill. Someone who can provide a bit of excitement. I miss it.