Hey ....whats wrong with challenges ..its what keeps you alive & kickin.....
passion is needed to buy whats wrong with being challenged
My whole life has been 1 giant challenge :
successful ,good parenting...etc gotta say I have never been given a free pass
OR been taken care of.... friend of the family (Goomba )or rabbi at the job....
made me who i am today ...i guess
- Dundee13

PS my write skills are NOT up for debate ...gotta kick away the crutches...

dont put words in mouth...didnt say problem

did say he is supposed to be our top D man In our top pair
we have been searching for a mate on top pair

MAYBE our top pair is like our centers not great just very solid & productive.....

Mac needs atop D like Shattenkirk to define things ..he isnt assertive ALL the time
- Dundee13

Allow me to step in here:
McD is tagged as the teams #1D man by the organization and fans,
He is not flashy, hes not the fastest doesn't have the hardest shot, he's not silky smooth like Eric Karlson, hes not tough and powerful like Burns, etc...

So the question I feel like Dundee is asking is this:
Is he truly a #1 Dman, or is he just the NYR's #1 DMan because he is just the best of what we have
Where does he rank among the league's top Defensemen

Discuss

Allow me to step in here:
McD is tagged as the teams #1D man by the organization and fans,
He is not flashy, hes not the fastest doesn't have the hardest shot, he's not silky smooth like Eric Karlson, hes not tough and powerful like Burns, etc...

So the question I feel like Dundee is asking is this:
Is he truly a #1 Dman, or is he just the NYR's #1 DMan because he is just the best of what we have
Where does he rank among the league's top Defensemen

Discuss
- MiloslavHorava

I believe most of us would say he ranks around 15-20 in the league... At his best, he's probably sniffing top 10. And at 4.7M per for another 2 years, we get our money's worth and then some!

dont put words in mouth...didnt say problem

did say he is supposed to be our top D man In our top pair
we have been searching for a mate on top pair

MAYBE our top pair is like our centers not great just very solid & productive.....

Mac needs atop D like Shattenkirk to define things ..he isnt assertive ALL the time
- Dundee13

Problem with this is that Shattenkirk is not a TOP D. He has great offensive ability coupled with ok defensive ability. He was never going to be our savior (Ranger Jesus).

BTW, it's nice to be back!! Made it through my first ban.

I believe most of us would say he ranks around 15-20 in the league... At his best, he's probably sniffing top 10. And at 4.7M per for another 2 years, we get our money's worth and then some!
- 21peter

I don't think anyone will argue with his VALUE. That contract is solid.

Allow me to step in here:
McD is tagged as the teams #1D man by the organization and fans,
He is not flashy, hes not the fastest doesn't have the hardest shot, he's not silky smooth like Eric Karlson, hes not tough and powerful like Burns, etc...

So the question I feel like Dundee is asking is this:
Is he truly a #1 Dman, or is he just the NYR's #1 DMan because he is just the best of what we have
Where does he rank among the league's top Defensemen

Discuss
- MiloslavHorava

I agree with you and Pete. McD does EVERYTHING at a high level, but probably nothing at a truly ELITE level. Are there Dmen you would trade him for? Certainly. Would you want him gone from your roster? I think not. For my money, I call him a #1.

Problem with this is that Shattenkirk is not a TOP D. He has great offensive ability coupled with ok defensive ability. He was never going to be our savior (Ranger Jesus).

BTW, it's nice to be back!! Made it through my first ban.
- Tonybere

Let me guess; Tanner's blog...?

Allow me to step in here:
McD is tagged as the teams #1D man by the organization and fans,
He is not flashy, hes not the fastest doesn't have the hardest shot, he's not silky smooth like Eric Karlson, hes not tough and powerful like Burns, etc...

So the question I feel like Dundee is asking is this:
Is he truly a #1 Dman, or is he just the NYR's #1 DMan because he is just the best of what we have
Where does he rank among the league's top Defensemen

Discuss
- MiloslavHorava

I think McDonagh is a very good defenseman and would probably be the #1 on a lot of teams in the league...but I don't consider him a "true" #1 guy. I think he lacks the offensive production/talent to be consider a "true" #1 defenseman.

I would probably place him somewhere in the top 20-25 defensemen in the NHL. Maybe in the 15-20 range, but I'm not so sure.

I think McDonagh is a very good defenseman and would probably be the #1 on a lot of teams in the league...but I don't consider him a "true" #1 guy. I think he lacks the offensive production/talent to be consider a "true" #1 defenseman.

I would probably place him somewhere in the top 20-25 defensemen in the NHL. Maybe in the 15-20 range, but I'm not so sure.
- eichiefs9

That is my sentiment as well. I think he may be hurt by the fact he doesn't put up huge offensive numbers, doesn't have the cannon shot, doesn't throw the huge hit, isn't ovelry vocal. Maybe he is like a Lidstrom light. Lidstrom did things quietly, but he did ALL of them at a whole other level, that's why he was noticed

Let me guess; Tanner's blog...?
- 21peter

Close...a hotstove Tanner was involved in. And it came about 5 days after my post! Is that normal? Plus, I was pretty sure I've gotten away with worse in the past!!

I stopped frequenting his blogs, but I guess I need to stay away completely.

That is my sentiment as well. I think he may be hurt by the fact he doesn't put up huge offensive numbers, doesn't have the cannon shot, doesn't throw the huge hit, isn't ovelry vocal. Maybe he is like a Lidstrom light. Lidstrom did things quietly, but he did ALL of them at a whole other level, that's why he was noticed
- MiloslavHorava

Yeah he's pretty reliable and steady. I would say the lack of point production is the main thing that keeps him out of that "top defensemen" category. He's not perfect elsewhere, but his mistakes seem to be somewhat-rare events so I would certainly say he's a very reliable defenseman.

I see him as somewhat similar to Leddy, in terms of his value...not style of play. Leddy is a exponentially-better skater but McDonagh is a hell of a lot better in his own end. They have similar overall point production, although I'd tip the scale in favor of Leddy because he's typically scored more goals than McDonagh..but it's pretty close in that regard. I think most other things would go in McDonagh's favor.

I think McDonagh is a better overall player than Leddy for sure, for whatever that's worth. But Leddy is a lot more fun to watch play.

I believe most of us would say he ranks around 15-20 in the league... At his best, he's probably sniffing top 10. And at 4.7M per for another 2 years, we get our money's worth and then some!
- 21peter

so well said

Yeah he's pretty reliable and steady. I would say the lack of point production is the main thing that keeps him out of that "top defensemen" category. He's not perfect elsewhere, but his mistakes seem to be somewhat-rare events so I would certainly say he's a very reliable defenseman.

I see him as somewhat similar to Leddy, in terms of his value...not style of play. Leddy is a exponentially-better skater but McDonagh is a hell of a lot better in his own end. They have similar overall point production, although I'd tip the scale in favor of Leddy because I'm and fishdycks fan and my wife left me..but it's pretty close in that regard. I think most other things would go in McDonagh's favor.

I think McDonagh is a better overall player than Leddy for sure, for whatever that's worth. But Leddy is a lot more fun to watch play.
- eichiefs9

fixed

Close...a hotstove Tanner was involved in. And it came about 5 days after my post! Is that normal? Plus, I was pretty sure I've gotten away with worse in the past!!

I stopped frequenting his blogs, but I guess I need to stay away completely.
- Tonybere

Last ban I got was for something really laughable. I complained and got it down from 1 week to 3 days. And btw - that puthy chiefs get away with everything

fixed
- mrn22

Had to stare at that for a little before I could figure out what the hell you changed.

so well said
- mrn22

some good karma coming your way

Had to stare at that for a little before I could figure out what the hell you changed.
- eichiefs9

some good karma coming your way
- 21peter

Problem with this is that Shattenkirk is not a TOP D. He has great offensive ability coupled with ok defensive ability. He was never going to be our savior (Ranger Jesus).

BTW, it's nice to be back!! Made it through my first ban.
- Tonybere

Agree 100%. Anyone thinking Shattenkirk is above average on D is misinformed. He's a very good offensive defenseman, but his defense is not what he's known for.

Agree 100%. Anyone thinking Shattenkirk is above average on D is misinformed. He's a very good offensive defenseman, but his defense is not what he's known for.
- nyrangers9479

Anyone that doesn't think he'd help this team more then any player available next summer is misinformed also tho, would you agree? RH D, PP point man, Mac partner you couldn't hand pick a better option, unless it's Burns of course but I don't think he'd be available

some good karma coming your way
- 21peter

- mdw7413

- 21peter

Hmmm...not sure I would play Clendenning over Holden...any day.

Sorry Jan.

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