Deployment is on Willie not JB. He is an idiot
- CanuckDon

Yeah I would agree on that. It's the sucky player argument that is the flip side. Where you see even Nucker saying it's a bit of both.

The problem is we can't know either way if someone could have done better. We can only scratch our heads and say why WD why?!? Like recent stuff. On choices of Megna over Boucher or Shore over Goldy in getting better deployment.

The Sedins fell off a cliff this season. They have been terrible. One more season
- CanuckDon

93 games, or in my case 93 naps

I agree but.

If you have one third of your caap space invested in 4 players that have 40 goals , I find i ridiculous to blame the players below.
- VANTEL

I agree. The Sedins are the worst value on the roster. In the words of the Canucks biggest bust, Jared Mcann, it is what it is

93 games, or in my case 93 naps
- A_SteamingLombardi

lately I've been falling asleep in the stadium

Panthers traded away Gudbranson and this year have the no.1 PK

lately I've been falling asleep in the stadium
- CanuckDon

Spilling beer on yourself?

Edler lets Marchand go by him all night against Boston. He takes the puck off Hank skates by Daniel and Edler untouched and WD calls out Tryamkin who was not even on the ice.

As much as my opinion is swayed one way Canuck fans are swayed the other way.

Yes they got their points . They got the bulk of the PP for ten years playing maybe 5 of their 20 min a night 5 on 4 . Of course they will get their numbers.
- VANTEL

So for the past 9 years they've played about 3:20 per game on the PP which is part of their 17-18 minutes per game.

The one year they played even close to 5 minutes a game on the PP Daniel scored 42 PP points. I'd say that's worth it.

Again, if there is nobody to take their place getting rid of someone for the sake of change accomplishes nothing.

I agree. The Sedins are the worst value on the roster. In the words of the Canucks biggest bust, Jared Mcann, it is what it is
- CanuckDon

I am curious to see how long it takes to turn it around. All we have ever known is the Sedins for the last dozen years. 35% of their points came off the PP.

It will be nice after next year to see the new look PP .

So for the past 9 years they've played about 3:20 per game on the PP which is part of their 17-18 minutes per game.

The one year they played even close to 5 minutes a game on the PP Daniel scored 42 PP points. I'd say that's worth it.

Again, if there is nobody to take their place getting rid of someone for the sake of change accomplishes nothing.
- golfingsince

Horvat is better than Henrik. On the power play, defensively and 5v5

Spilling beer on yourself?
- A_SteamingLombardi

Usually, yes

This time last year we were on a 9 game losing streak and we're 2/3 of the way to another this year.

Bookend the season with 9 game losing streaks

This time last year we were on a 9 game losing streak and we're 2/3 of the way to another this year.

Bookend the season with 9 game losing streaks
- A_SteamingLombardi

This season the tank appears pretty damn intentional...big change from last year

So for the past 9 years they've played about 3:20 per game on the PP which is part of their 17-18 minutes per game.

The one year they played even close to 5 minutes a game on the PP Daniel scored 42 PP points. I'd say that's worth it.

Again, if there is nobody to take their place getting rid of someone for the sake of change accomplishes nothing.
- golfingsince

Damn good for their numbers . They are both sitting around 350 PPP over 14 years. I wonder what is the numbers of their linemates?

I liked the Granlund Horvat Baertschi line the other night. I think we are now 2 of about 37 on the PP as of late and i think both have been scored by they other unit.

It is all we know as Edler and the twins as the top players. I think we could do better if we change that up.

Horvat is better than Henrik. On the power play, defensively and 5v5
- CanuckDon

You're missing the point Don.

Vantel has been blaming the twins for years, so his opinion doesn't hold much weight.

Getting rid of 2/3 of your top scorers doesn't help the team. They're here for another year unless they decide to hang 'em up or want to be traded. It's not their fault the team sucks.

You figure they're a better team if we lose the twins and go out and find another Megna and Chaput to fill the void?


The team is not very good, dumping 4 Swedes won't change that.

I can't stand some of what WD does:
- Love affair with Megna who should be in the AHL
- Not playing Horvat's line as L1 and PP1
- Sutter on the PP
- Took him forever to move Edler off of PP1
- Why he thinks Eriksson/Sutter works together at 5v5
- Plays Shore straight outta Europe into the NHL but says Goldobin needs more practice to learn the system

But he's a great tank commander
- Nucker101

Completely agree with your assessment.

Damn good for their numbers . They are both sitting around 350 PPP over 14 years. I wonder what is the numbers of their linemates?

I liked the Granlund Horvat Baertschi line the other night. I think we are now 2 of about 37 on the PP as of late and i think both have been scored by they other unit.

It is all we know as Edler and the twins as the top players. I think we could do better if we change that up.
- VANTEL

I guarantee that Sedins are officially the second line next year. If for no other reason than positive PR. THe new coach will bring huge change. Change

Damn good for their numbers . They are both sitting around 350 PPP over 14 years. I wonder what is the numbers of their linemates?

I liked the Granlund Horvat Baertschi line the other night. I think we are now 2 of about 37 on the PP as of late and i think both have been scored by they other unit.

It is all we know as Edler and the twins as the top players. I think we could do better if we change that up.
- VANTEL

Top players aren't coming to this mess. That's how we ended up overpaying for LE. I guess we could have overpaid for Lucic instead, which would have been just as bad.

It's not like we'll magically acquire some upper echelon talent if we get rid of them, we'll just be watering down the competition for roster spots further.

You're missing the point Don.

Vantel has been blaming the twins for years, so his opinion doesn't hold much weight.

Getting rid of 2/3 of your top scorers doesn't help the team. They're here for another year unless they decide to hang 'em up or want to be traded. It's not their fault the team sucks.

You figure they're a better team if we lose the twins and go out and find another Megna and Chaput to fill the void?


The team is not very good, dumping 4 Swedes won't change that.
- golfingsince

I'm sure he realizes that he just hates the Sedins I don't think it matters if they are here next year or not. They will suck either way

I can't stand some of what WD does:
- Love affair with Megna who should be in the AHL
- Not playing Horvat's line as L1 and PP1
- Sutter on the PP
- Took him forever to move Edler off of PP1
- Why he thinks Eriksson/Sutter works together at 5v5
- Plays Shore straight outta Europe into the NHL but says Goldobin needs more practice to learn the system

But he's a great tank commander
- Nucker101

Megna simply replaced Linden Vey as Willie's love interest. What he sees in either of those two players is bewildering.

His rationale for line configuration and player deployment is bizarre, but of even more concern is the systems and strategies he's implemented.

I can't imagine how frustrating it would be to play for him. Even when they have possession in the other team's zone they don't actually have the puck in a position where they'd have any chance to score. They're constantly rimming the puck or dumping it back into soft areas for a retrieval. Then back to the point and another dump in behind the net. They're content to chase around the perimeter and are never threatening.

Then you watch how useless their forecheck is and how easily the opposition exits from their zone once they regain possession and, by comparison, how difficult it is for the Canucks to get out of their own zone. That's not just young D and ineffective wingers not executing, that's the lack of a successful plan.

Then there's:
- Failure to even recognize that PP1 has not been working for years let alone make any fundamental changes to the configuration. How you don't address the soul-crushing loss of momentum they always get from their complete failure of a powerplay, is like, WTF?

- The deterioration of the PK this season when they still had seasoned veterans who were noted for that role.

It's not all due to a lack of talent when, no matter who you're playing against, the other coach's strategy is getting them 35+ shots and you're lucky to hit 24.

If the rumours are true that some other teams would be interested in him if he's being let go, let him out of his contract at the end of the year and he can go become someone else's problem. At least the Canucks would be able to beat that team next year.

I'm sure he realizes that he just hates the Sedins I don't think it matters if they are here next year or not. They will suck either way
- CanuckDon

They'll suck even more, which i'm fine with.

I agree. The Sedins are the worst value on the roster. In the words of the Canucks biggest bust, Jared Mcann, it is what it is
- CanuckDon

I would take the 3 or 4 yrs if them being at the top of league point wise and the cup run for the value they currently are. Age happens and it happens all players. What scares me is if they continue to play after next yr.

I guarantee that Sedins are officially the second line next year. If for no other reason than positive PR. THe new coach will bring huge change. Change
- CanuckDon

They will be the second line because we don't have any better options for a second line.

You're missing the point Don.

Vantel has been blaming the twins for years, so his opinion doesn't hold much weight.

Getting rid of 2/3 of your top scorers doesn't help the team. They're here for another year unless they decide to hang 'em up or want to be traded. It's not their fault the team sucks.

You figure they're a better team if we lose the twins and go out and find another Megna and Chaput to fill the void?


The team is not very good, dumping 4 Swedes won't change that.
- golfingsince

35 % ,350 PTS came off the PP

Ryan Kesler who spent years playing alongside of them on the PP has 122 PPP with the Canucks . Why the big discrepancy in points? Shouldn't his number be close to theirs?

I think we both know they spent most of the time looking for each other only. If your looking at numbers good for them.

I would take the 3 or 4 yrs if them being at the top of league point wise and the cup run for the value they currently are. Age happens and it happens all players. What scares me is if they continue to play after next yr.
- Kaynine

For sure...they earned their contracts but fans have the right to be excited for their departure

Megna simply replaced Linden Vey as Willie's love interest. What he sees in either of those two players is bewildering.

His rationale for line configuration and player deployment is bizarre, but of even more concern is the systems and strategies he's implemented.

I can't imagine how frustrating it would be to play for him. Even when they have possession in the other team's zone they don't actually have the puck in a position where they'd have any chance to score. They're constantly rimming the puck or dumping it back into soft areas for a retrieval. Then back to the point and another dump in behind the net. They're content to chase around the perimeter and are never threatening.

Then you watch how useless their forecheck is and how easily the opposition exits from their zone once they regain possession and, by comparison, how difficult it is for the Canucks to get out of their own zone. That's not just young D and ineffective wingers not executing, that's the lack of a successful plan.

Then there's:
- Failure to even recognize that PP1 has not been working for years let alone make any fundamental changes to the configuration. How you don't address the soul-crushing loss of momentum they always get from their complete failure of a powerplay, is like, WTF?

- The deterioration of the PK this season when they still had seasoned veterans who were noted for that role.

It's not all due to a lack of talent when, no matter who you're playing against, the other coach's strategy is getting them 35+ shots and you're lucky to hit 24.

If the rumours are true that some other teams would be interested in him if he's being let go, let him out of his contract at the end of the year and he can go become someone else's problem. At least the Canucks would be able to beat that team next year.
- YeOldTimer

Tell us how you really feel

Valid points though.