Hey Read has been a part of this team for going on 6 years now, and AMac has been here for parts of 4 with another 3 to go.

That's pretty "core" to me.
- jmatchett383

Pretty much explains why we are in 7th place in an 8 team division.

Your turn, brother man.

Question:
Why is it that every time I'm _______ down the street
Somebody wants to ____ me
Just to give me a _____?

Come on, man!
____ dat!
Get out of my ___!
- jmatchett383

lol! Damn, I haven't heard that song in ages! Funk /frank/ dat!

So, would you say that Chris VandeVelde is also good because you'd be comparing him to other 4th liners as well?

I'm really just trying to figure out how you determine a good hockey player from a bad one. To me, I compare them as players as a whole, not as line-designated players.
- jmatchett383

Chris Vandevelde is mediocre when compared to other 4th line players. He is goddamned awful when compared to all NHL wingers.

Your previous post said nothing about their relative value in regards to their roles, it simply stated that they were good players. This is non-factual statement.

If you are instead ascertaining that Raffl is good in his role as a 3rd line winger who can step up and play in the top 6 when needed, then I would, with perhaps some slight reservations, agree.

However, even in a 4th line/PK role, Bellemare is average at best. He's not good.

Either way, your original statement, was incorrect. As someone who seems to enjoy picking other's posts apart for any minuscule mistakes, inaccuracies or fallacies, I thought you would appreciate having this pointed out to you.
- BiggE

LOL! Clearly you are not interested in having a rational conversation, or you're completely missing the point. I never said that you should compare elite players to 4th liners to determine if they are good or bad. Putting this into context, which you seem unable to do, realizing the value these players bring to their role on the team is the only way to truly evaluate how good they are. You're obviously wrong if you think that players like Raffl or Bellemare are bad players. In my opinion.

LOL! Clearly you are not interested in having a rational conversation, or you're completely missing the point. I never said that you should compare elite players to 4th liners to determine if they are good or bad. Putting this into context, which you seem unable to do, realizing the value these players bring to their role on the team is the only way to truly evaluate how good they are. You're obviously wrong if you think that players like Raffl or Bellemare are bad players. In my opinion.
- jmatchett383

lol! Damn, I haven't heard that song in ages! Funk /frank/ dat!
- Scoob

Quuueesssstionnnn....

Your previous post said nothing about their relative value in regards to their roles, it simply stated that they were good players. This is non-factual statement.

If you are instead ascertaining that Raffl is good in his role as a 3rd line winger who can step up and play in the top 6 when needed, then I would, with perhaps some slight reservations, agree.

However, even in a 4th line/PK role, Bellemare is average at best. He's not good.

Either way, your original statement, was incorrect. As someone who seems to enjoy picking other's posts apart for any minuscule mistakes, inaccuracies or fallacies, I thought you would appreciate having this pointed out to you.

edit: 7 points in 76 games, for an NHL center is not good. No matter what that center's role is assumed to be.
- BiggE

You're entitled to your opinion, but I would disagree. An NHL team isn't going to re-sign a player to a 2 -3 year contract if they weren't good players. You have to be a good player just to make it to the NHL period! There are different levels of players for sure, but a player like Bellemare isn't in the NHL due to his ability to score.


You seem to have a personal issue, so if that's what you're interested in making this into, I'm not interested. I'd be happy to continue to discuss any hockey matters.

Your turn, brother man.

Question:
Why is it that every time I'm _______ down the street
Somebody wants to ____ me
Just to give me a _____?

Come on, man!
____ dat!
Get out of my ___!
- jmatchett383

Chris ___ ___ ___ is bad at hockey

Quuueesssstionnnn....
- jmatchett383

lol...I love the one near the end "quuueeessstiiiooonnnn....why is it every time I'm in the club only the ugly chicks step to me...."

Chris ___ ___ ___ is bad at hockey
- YuenglingJagr

too many blanks

Chris Vandevelde is mediocre when compared to other 4th line players. He is goddamned awful when compared to all NHL wingers.


- BiggE

Vandevelde is at the bottom of the spectrum of 4th line players, mainly because of his lack of offensive ability and contribution in that area. He is however a decent defensive winger with size, and a decent penalty killer, which is why he has remained in the lineup. It is however an area of opportunity where the Flyers could, and should look to improve. There is the possibility that a replacement the Flyers currently have, could be worse.

Vandevelde is at the bottom of the spectrum of 4th line players, mainly because of his lack of offensive ability and contribution in that area. He is however a decent defensive winger with size, and a decent penalty killer, which is why he has remained in the lineup. It is however an area of opportunity where the Flyers could, and should look to improve. There is the possibility that a replacement the Flyers currently have, could be worse.
- MJL

Naaaahhhhhh

You're entitled to your opinion, but I would disagree. An NHL team isn't going to re-sign a player to a 2 -3 year contract if they weren't good players. You have to be a good player just to make it to the NHL period! There are different levels of players for sure, but a player like Bellemare isn't in the NHL due to his ability to score.


You seem to have a personal issue, so if that's what you're interested in making this into, I'm not interested. I'd be happy to continue to discuss any hockey matters.
- MJL

So wait...are we comparing players to their relative NHL peers (i.e. 4th liners to 4th liners) or to everyone else in the world? Clearly, AHL-level players are "good" at hockey compared to 99.999999% of the world's population. So by that rationale, Chris Vandevelde is a great hockey player.

Chris ___ ___ ___ is bad at hockey
- YuenglingJagr

Pronger thinks Crosby

LOL, nice try. I don't know about you but when I look at a player, I consider their role and what kind of player they are. For example when I look at Bellemare, I'm not comparing him to Conner McDavid or even a lesser center in the NHL. I'm looking at him as a 4th line role player for the team, and how he has performed in that role. The Flyers seem to agree, in that they re-signed him to a 2 year deal with a significant raise.
Raffl in my opinion is a solid skater, strong on the puck and the forecheck that can chip in some goals in a top 9 forward role, and is also versatile enough to move up and down the lineup. He plays well on both sides of the puck. Again I'm not comparing him to Phil Kessel. The Flyers also re-signed Raffl to a three year deal not that long ago
So while it wouldn't be a huge issue to lose one of these players, it would hurt the team in the short run. In summation, you're wrong to state that I'm incorrect. In my opinion of course.
- MJL

Can't say I agree ...Both Raffl and PEB would not be a loss at all and that too is from watching these two play. Both have some good traits maybe, but to suggest either in any sense would be a loss or a step backwards is simply your opinion, which I would venture to guess is not shared by many...Maybe Mr. and Mrs. Raffl back home.

gotta say I was at the game last night and didn't think that at all about Voracek
- nastyflyergirl

I agree with that. His effort was there, his decision making ability was not.

too many blanks
- Scoob

damn you!

So wait...are we comparing players to their relative NHL peers (i.e. 4th liners to 4th liners) or to everyone else in the world? Clearly, AHL-level players are "good" at hockey compared to 99.999999% of the world's population. So by that rationale, Chris Vandevelde is a great hockey player.
- jmatchett383

ok now I'm done....

he could be protected even if he is unsigned
- YuenglingJagr

Exactly what I said, no matter what is the status of Weal by the ED (under contract for next year or not), Philly would have to protect him if they don't want to see Vegas picking him up.

Can't say I agree ...Both Raffl and PEB would not be a loss at all and that too is from watching these two play. Both have some good traits maybe, but to suggest either in any sense would be a loss or a step backwards is simply your opinion, which I would venture to guess is not shared by many...Maybee Mr. and Mrs. Raffl back home.
- landros 2

certainly not shared with this guy

Vandevelde is at the bottom of the spectrum of 4th line players, mainly because of his lack of offensive ability and contribution in that area. He is however a decent defensive winger with size, and a decent penalty killer, which is why he has remained in the lineup. It is however an area of opportunity where the Flyers could, and should look to improve. There is the possibility that a replacement the Flyers currently have, could be worse.
- MJL

VDV has the coaching staff's trust...but even that has to be on thin ice. His contributions to a failing PK don't bode well for his future here....but who knows...he's here till he's not. Simply another tweener between the NHL and AHL, that is fortunate to be playing for a weak Philadelphia Flyers forward core.

Pronger thinks Crosby
- jmatchett383

lol!

damn you!
- YuenglingJagr

:-)

Exactly what I said, no matter what is the status of Weal by the ED (under contract for next year or not), Philly would have to protect him if they don't want to see Vegas picking him up.
- nvrsoft

that is fine if that is what you were getting at. I will just let you know that he is already aware of the situation. What he is hinting at with his comment is that Vegas has to take 20 players that are signed through 2017, so leaving Weal unsigned technically reduces the chances of him being picked

that is fine if that is what you were getting at. I will just let you know that he is already aware of the situation. What he is hinting at with his comment is that Vegas has to take 20 players that are signed through 2017, so leaving Weal unsigned technically reduces the chances of him being picked
- YuenglingJagr

Instead of resigning the goalie with the worst stats this season to a 2-year extension, the Flyers should have chosen a random season ticket holder, signed them to a 1-year, 1-way contract at the NHL minimum, and exposed them in the ED.