ok then thats my bad. There's a few names there though just outside the trade market.

Vancouver found Stetcher and Tryamkin

Toronto found Zaitsev
- Sabresfan-365

and murray went all in on bogo, franson, gorges and kulikov

Goligoski could've been an option. Same with Demers.

If the argument was theres nothing he could've done to make it a cup contender that quickly i agree *except he shouldnt have set such lofty expectations*.

They easily could've put together a playoff one. Ive said it already but if this team was even mediocre 5v5 we're in the playoff hunt. its that bad, after 4 years.



If he had done nothing about the blueline, we'd still be in a better spot. Problem was he did something dumb, like identifying 2 pylons as top four guys.
- Sabresfan-365

Dougie Hamilton
Jason Demers
Keith Yandle
Seth Jones
Alex Goligoski
Subban
Matt Irwin
Nick Holden
Nikita Zaitsev

All would be upgrades all over our blue line

Dougie Hamilton
Jason Demers
Keith Yandle
Seth Jones
Alex Goligoski
Subban
Matt Irwin
Nick Holden
Nikita Zaitsev

All would be upgrades all over our blue line
- sbroads24

some of these names were realistically unattainable but he had options. There's also the deals that never happened. Still curious about that Faulk/8th pick thing last year

speaking of which:


https://twitter.com/Sabre...status/848569350974058497

Okposo is going to end up with under 50 points
Kane is going to most likely score under 30 again.

When is someone going to come here and exceed expectations?

Anyone?

Okposo is going to end up with under 50 points
Kane is going to most likely score under 30 again.

When is someone going to come here and exceed expectations?

Anyone?
- sbroads24

cj smith

but only cuz i had no idea who he was and thanks to the sabres have dialed expectations all the way down.

Michael Pachla: Buffalo Sabres 2016-17 Individual Stats--March
- Michael Pachla

Hi Mike!

So tell me, to make the playoffs next year or the year after, what do the Sabres need to do ,and, more importantly, how do they do it?

And if you think staying healthy and the natural progression of the young guys is enough, I will forever disregard your opinion, as your hockey knowledge will obviously be pretty weak.

Cheers!

I'm open to this discussion but I think this is easier to say than to prove. Please provide specifics to support this generality.

Since Murray was hired in Jan 2014, what GOOD DEFENSEMAN has Murray traded away? And what GOOD DEFENSEMAN has come into the league or been traded that Murray did not get.

I can think of 4 significant trades involving Dmen - Larsson, Seth Jones, and Subban/Weber. The only killer Dman drafted was Ekblad, and we had no shot at him. What else am I missing?
- Der Kaiser

We did trade McNabb & Pysyk...
Maybe not "good" defensemen, but I bet most would like them back

And as far as drafting goes...
GMTM blew it when he reached for 2 forwards in the '15 draft instead of taking defensemen which were higher ranked, and a position where we needed depth
We had just drafted something like 5 forwards in the 1st two rounds that draft & the previous one...
Sure, those guys (McKeown, Dougherty, Montour) haven't developed yet...
but they're on the verge of playing in the NHL
and at the very least, would be decent trade bait

We did trade McNabb & Pysyk...
Maybe not "good" defensemen, but I bet most would like them back

And as far as drafting goes...
GMTM blew it when he reached for 2 forwards in the '15 draft instead of taking defensemen which were higher ranked, and a position where we needed depth
We had just drafted something like 5 forwards in the 1st two rounds that draft & the previous one...
Sure, those guys (McKeown, Dougherty, Montour) haven't developed yet...
but they're on the verge of playing in the NHL
and at the very least, would be decent trade bait
- jdfitz77

14 draft you mean...


Interesting things changed after he hired Royce and the other guy

some of these names were realistically unattainable but he had options. There's also the deals that never happened. Still curious about that Faulk/8th pick thing last year
- Sabresfan-365

I heard canes wanted 2016 first

murray countered with 2017 first


once kulikov trade was made, talks ended

Hi Mike!

So tell me, to make the playoffs next year or the year after, what do the Sabres need to do ,and, more importantly, how do they do it?

And if you think staying healthy and the natural progression of the young guys is enough, I will forever disregard your opinion, as your hockey knowledge will obviously be pretty weak.

Cheers!
- Larsson_fan

Big night for you tonight, from what I hear. You excited, mouth breather?

Never listen to a wrestling fan.

Cheers!

Big night for you tonight, from what I hear. You excited, mouth breather?

Never listen to a wrestling fan.

Cheers!
- rmiethaner

Excited for Wrestlemania? Not really.

For the Oilers? (frank)en rights. Getting red hot at the right time. Expectations for the playoffs are low, just happy they're finally there.

The Oilers are not finished. They are good, but they have a bit more work to do before they are great.

14 draft you mean...


Interesting things changed after he hired Royce and the other guy
- Sabresfan-365

Oops, my bad
My big thing is that he's basically ignore some defense in the first 2 rounds
That's ridiculous imo bc he's had plenty of picks

Hi Mike!

So tell me, to make the playoffs next year or the year after, what do the Sabres need to do ,and, more importantly, how do they do it?

And if you think staying healthy and the natural progression of the young guys is enough, I will forever disregard your opinion, as your hockey knowledge will obviously be pretty weak.

Cheers!
- Larsson_fan

answered it in the wee hours of the morning:

http://www.hockeybuzz.com...?thread_id=143205&page=11

too long to repost

Okposo is going to end up with under 50 points
Kane is going to most likely score under 30 again.

When is someone going to come here and exceed expectations?

Anyone?
- sbroads24

My expectation of how much Bylsma would suck has been exceeded.

Excited for Wrestlemania? Not really.

For the Oilers? (frank)en rights. Getting red hot at the right time. Expectations for the playoffs are low, just happy they're finally there.

The Oilers are not finished. They are good, but they have a bit more work to do before they are great.
- Larsson_fan

been a long, long time for the oil

Kane is not the problem with this team, but some still can't let it go.

Kane is not the problem with this team, but some still can't let it go.
- SABRES 89

the ideal for him, imo, would be a 4yr/$25m contract with buffalo

I'm open to this discussion but I think this is easier to say than to prove. Please provide specifics to support this generality.

Since Murray was hired in Jan 2014, what GOOD DEFENSEMAN has Murray traded away? And what GOOD DEFENSEMAN has come into the league or been traded that Murray did not get.

I can think of 4 significant trades involving Dmen - Larsson, Seth Jones, and Subban/Weber. The only killer Dman drafted was Ekblad, and we had no shot at him. What else am I missing?
- Der Kaiser

I would much rather have McNabb and two second round picks than Fasching and Deslaurier. I would much rather have Pysyk than Kulikov.

Do you think LA fans and Florida fans think they lost those trades?

Do you think the Sabres are better after making those two trades?

Tim Murray's expertise is supposedly as a talent evaluator from his experience as a scout. In these two instances he failed miserably. A top four defenseman is much more valuable than a couple of bottom six forwards. And considering this team is lacking puck moving defenseman who can make a breakout pass, the Pysyk trade made no sense.

I would much rather have McNabb and two second round picks than Fasching and Deslaurier. I would much rather have Pysyk than Kulikov.

Do you think LA fans and Florida fans think they lost those trades?

Do you think the Sabres are better after making those two trades?

Tim Murray's expertise is supposedly as a talent evaluator from his experience as a scout. In these two instances he failed miserably. A top four defenseman is much more valuable than a couple of bottom six forwards. And considering this team is lacking puck moving defenseman who can make a breakout pass, the Pysyk trade made no sense.
- SabresPanacea

neither mcnabb or pysyk are top-four d-men...mcnabb's been a healthy scratch quite often lately and pysyk has been used mostly on the third pairing...

in defense of kuli, I think people underestimate what the injury did to his season, not to mention missing most of camp because of the world cup of hockey

the ideal for him, imo, would be a 4yr/$25m contract with buffalo
- Michael Pachla

would you do 5 for 6.5 per?

I would much rather have McNabb and two second round picks than Fasching and Deslaurier. I would much rather have Pysyk than Kulikov.

Do you think LA fans and Florida fans think they lost those trades?

Do you think the Sabres are better after making those two trades?

Tim Murray's expertise is supposedly as a talent evaluator from his experience as a scout. In these two instances he failed miserably. A top four defenseman is much more valuable than a couple of bottom six forwards. And considering this team is lacking puck moving defenseman who can make a breakout pass, the Pysyk trade made no sense.
- SabresPanacea

People can claim Pysyk isn't very good all they want. Doesn't make it true.

He's a cheap #4 D man. He's not great, but he's also what we lack in terms of moving the puck

neither mcnabb or pysyk are top-four d-men...mcnabb's been a healthy scratch quite often lately and pysyk has been used mostly on the third pairing...

in defense of kuli, I think people underestimate what the injury did to his season, not to mention missing most of camp because of the world cup of hockey
- Michael Pachla

in 2 years asplund will be the only meaningful player in that trade

People can claim Pysyk isn't very good all they want. Doesn't make it true.

He's a cheap #4 D man. He's not great, but he's also what we lack in terms of moving the puck
- sbroads24

with this gm, pysyk was never going to leapfrog bogo into our top 4

would you do 5 for 6.5 per?
- homiedclown

Can we get 50 points first?

Seriously how in the hell is he a 6 million dollar player?