I just want you to know I could've gone with this:



so tread carefully.
- Wetbandit1

Thanks for having my back mane

why would the rangers trade a fringe HOF player for ennis?



serious question



maybe 2 second rd picks and ennis
- homiedclown

Purely a cap saving move.

Again I don't want Nash, unless he comes very cheap. he is essentially a one year rental.

I guess the real questions is, did Murray scout him while in Ottawa, if so, expect two 1st round picks for Nash and a cap dump.

yeah, you are right, my bad.
- Aetherial

It's like a grade school argument where two kids say my dad is better than your dad, when all that matters is that both are good fathers.

Hey homie did you see the Bills new slogan
- GERBE!!!75PTS

no but I saw on facebook the sabres were excited to announce Pierogis were being sold for the last few home games


let's deflect our crappy team and announce we are carrying polish food to help the suffering

I can't believe people can watch this, it's awful. Laughably bad.
- BeadyEyedDouche

You're dead to me

I thought they were moving lindholm and fowler for risto


- homiedclown

i mustve missed that

Why does it matter if Murray has been interested in Antipin for the past 4 years?

I know it fits the narrative but Antipin looks to be a player that has talent on defense and he would only cost money.

I'm failing to see the downside other than using it as further proof Murray is blind to his Ottawa days and he's always drunk, supposedly.

Purely a cap saving move.

Again I don't want Nash, unless he comes very cheap. he is essentially a one year rental.

I guess the real questions is, did Murray scout him while in Ottawa, if so, expect two 1st round picks for Nash and a cap dump.
- ImThatGuy

and if you can move dead weight


ennis, bogo, moulson, gorges


I am all for spending to the cap and bring in nash, kovy and jagr

Why does it matter if Murray has been interested in Antipin for the past 4 years?

I know it fits the narrative but Antipin looks to be a player that has talent on defense and he would only cost money.

I'm failing to see the downside other than using it as further proof Murray is blind to his Ottawa days and he's always drunk, supposedly.
- kingcong39

murray was handed a gm's wet dream a few years ago


now in year 3 we are not improving and he has empty the cabinets so bad he needs to win on his next few trades


all the picks, and prospects and cap space and this is the crap we have with rochester bring a joke

Of course you do his post basically chalks Matthews success up to other people's work.

Actually his description fits Laine more.

A quick look at takeaways would tell a different story.

Further, Matthews is outscoring him ppg so far in NHL games played and beat Eichel's rookie points handily.

Eichel is a great player, I don't dispute that, but the explanation of the supposed differences is a homerish joke, as is comparing a guys second year to a rookie season.

and let's not forget that Eichel has never had 2 rookies around him for most of a year, nor was he asked to be the #1 center.
- Aetherial

These players are equal, neither is better than the other, they're just different in style, and both are lesser to McDavid.

Let's stop acting like Eichel is a seasoned vet in this league, he's in year 2 for heaven's sake. And, year one was played with crap line mates. Put him with the talent Matthews has around him and he would have easily scored more than 56 pts last year.

And, stop acting like Matthews didn't play in a professional mens league last year, because he did. He's not coming from competing against 17 year olds in juniors to dominating full grown men. The guy was already prepared for what he'd be facing from game 1 of the season.

Yeah, Matthews so far is a bit up on Eichel ppg wise as for career stats so far, about 5% actually. But this season, Matthews is still below Eichel considerably.


Point is, they're both great and equal at a talent level, but different players. If you have a favorite, that's great. But, to suggest Matthews is clearly better than Eichel is flat out wrong, the Math doesn't hold up.

our coach is stupid enough to bench eichel from pp's
- homiedclown

most of Matthews goals are even strength. I think he might lead the league in even strength goals?

5 on 5 stats, 2016-2017

goals / 60 mins played
Matthews 1.57, Eichel .79 --> 99% more for Matthews

Points / 60 mins played
Matthews 2.16, Eichel 1.78 --> 21% more for Matthews


Even the current season performance can be viewed much different than what some fans here would like to think, when you consider ice time and 5 on 5 time.

and if you can move dead weight


ennis, bogo, moulson, gorges


I am all for spending to the cap and bring in nash, kovy and jagr
- homiedclown

We're never going to get anywhere with Robert Leonard in the nets. Murray wasted a first rounder on him. And Connor Black is doing great at Boston University.

These players are equal, neither is better than the other, they're just different in style, and both are lesser to McDavid.

Let's stop acting like Eichel is a seasoned vet in this league, he's in year 2 for heaven's sake. And, year one was played with crap line mates. Put him with the talent Matthews has around him and he would have easily scored more than 56 pts last year.

And, stop acting like Matthews didn't play in a professional mens league last year, because he did. He's not coming from competing against 17 year olds in juniors to dominating full grown men. The guy was already prepared for what he'd be facing from game 1 of the season.

Yeah, Matthews so far is a bit up on Eichel ppg wise as for career stats so far, about 5% actually. But this season, Matthews is still below Eichel considerably.


Point is, they're both great and equal at a talent level, but different players. If you have a favorite, that's great. But, to suggest Matthews is clearly better than Eichel is flat out wrong, the Math doesn't hold up.
- sskkoo1

mcdavid


big gap

mathews

small gap

eichel



I think laine needs to be in the conversation though as the big 4, not just those 3

no but I saw on facebook the sabres were excited to announce Pierogis were being sold for the last few home games


let's deflect our crappy team and announce we are carrying polish food to help the suffering
- homiedclown

The slogan this year a poop you not " playoff caliber"

Hey perogies are really good they better get a good Polish person you can't just fake that poop lol

i mustve missed that
- Sabresfan-365

Did you know Eichel will never approach 40 goals in his career? That was a gem that was assured to us last night.
- kingcong39

So knowing what we know about McDavid, Matthews and Eichel now and for the purpose of this exercise were all in the same draft class, what order would they be drafted?

Edit: Add Laine to the above if you like. Hope it doesn't knock Eichel to #4

murray was handed a gm's wet dream a few years ago


now in year 3 we are not improving and he has empty the cabinets so bad he needs to win on his next few trades


all the picks, and prospects and cap space and this is the crap we have with rochester bring a joke
- homiedclown

I don't trust Murray anymore. That extension he just got though. Pegula is stupid with just throwing this money around.

Could very well be paying close to $30MM for people to not work for him including Bylsma, Rex and Possibly Murray, possibly Whaley as well.

Not a good showing from him at the moment.

mcdavid


big gap

mathews

small gap

eichel



I think laine needs to be in the conversation though as the big 4, not just those 3
- homiedclown

Yeah, I think Laine should be in the conversation, he just doesn't seem to get much press.

We're never going to get anywhere with Robert Leonard in the nets. Murray wasted a first rounder on him. And Connor Black is doing great at Boston University.
- Der Kaiser

These players are equal, neither is better than the other, they're just different in style, and both are lesser to McDavid.

Let's stop acting like Eichel is a seasoned vet in this league, he's in year 2 for heaven's sake. And, year one was played with crap line mates. Put him with the talent Matthews has around him and he would have easily scored more than 56 pts last year.

And, stop acting like Matthews didn't play in a professional mens league last year, because he did. He's not coming from competing against 17 year olds in juniors to dominating full grown men. The guy was already prepared for what he'd be facing from game 1 of the season.

Yeah, Matthews so far is a bit up on Eichel ppg wise as for career stats so far, about 5% actually. But this season, Matthews is still below Eichel considerably.


Point is, they're both great and equal at a talent level, but different players. If you have a favorite, that's great. But, to suggest Matthews is clearly better than Eichel is flat out wrong, the Math doesn't hold up.
- sskkoo1

Yeah, you need to actually look at the whole story. See my post above.

You are welcome to your opinion, we're all fans. The fact is, Buffalo fans started this stats picking, and so far, sorry, your stats-based arguement has been pretty soundly beaten.

Won $800 on the game last night in squares i got last minute at work. Good way to start the day!

I don't trust Murray anymore. That extension he just got though. Pegula is stupid with just throwing this money around.

Could very well be paying close to $30MM for people to not work for him including Bylsma, Rex and Possibly Murray, possibly Whaley as well.

Not a good showing from him at the moment.
- ImThatGuy

It's basically $40 out of his pocket lol .. it's pretty incredible to watch wealthy people just throw money like that

Won $800 on the game last night in squares i got last minute at work. Good way to start the day!
- CoHo_to_B-Lo

You better stop saying that out loud the Sabres are going to hear you

I don't trust Murray anymore. That extension he just got though. Pegula is stupid with just throwing this money around.

Could very well be paying close to $30MM for people to not work for him including Bylsma, Rex and Possibly Murray, possibly Whaley as well.

Not a good showing from him at the moment.
- ImThatGuy

Pegula does not pay Rex a dime so you have to adjust that number and remove his name.

You better stop saying that out loud the Sabres are going to hear you
- GERBE!!!75PTS

Im talking about NCAA not hockey