McDavid, Matthews, Eichel, Laine Marner Werenski/Nylander/Tkachuk
- Aetherial

I was gonna argue that Nylander and Werenski should be a step above Tkachuk, but then I remembered this is his draft+1 season.

Damn impressive. When it looked like the Leafs would finish outside of the bottom-5 last season, pre-lockout, I was hoping for him.

I didn't catch this but whoa


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Reinhart: "It's frustrating from our standpoint cuz it's not just going 2 change overnight & it's not just going to change over a summer."
- Sabresfan-365

Hmm, what's not going to change?

So you wanna trade our best defenseman, for a forward, and then trade forwards for defense? What? Contradict yourself much?
- Acup2buff

If Ristolainen can bring me a 60-70 point + young player yes I do that.
and then yes I move Kane and Reinhart for d-men and bring up Guhle and sign Antipin.

It's a roster overhaul, but again I explore all avenues.

14 hours later these things are still happening

- mattmoulson

Don't post drawings of donuts at lunch time when I am on a low-carb diet

He's not moving Risto
- SABRES 89

Yes he is

Hmm, what's not going to change?
- mattmoulson

The team?

If Ristolainen can bring me a 60-70 point + young player yes I do that.
and then yes I move Kane and Reinhart for d-men and bring up Guhle and sign Antipin.

It's a roster overhaul, but again I explore all avenues.
- ImThatGuy

That's a big ask. There are just not many around and if you look at the list, I am not sure Risto fetches any of them. I am also not sure it would be worth it. Risto could be a #1 D, almost as hard to find as a good #1C.

That's a big ask. There are just not many around and if you look at the list, I am not sure Risto fetches any of them. I am also not sure it would be worth it. Risto could be a #1 D, almost as hard to find as a good #1C.
- Aetherial

overhaul overreaction

The team?
- Sabresfan-365

I think pretty drastic changes can be made over the summer, especially with the expansion draft on the horizon, we'll see I guess

draft mittlestadt

I didn't catch this but whoa


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Reinhart: "It's frustrating from our standpoint cuz it's not just going 2 change overnight & it's not just going to change over a summer."
- Sabresfan-365

Drama

You are arguing against the wrong person maybe. I never asserted that Matthews was dominant.

I have only debated the Eichel was much better this year, and what I found to be a pretty incorrect description of the differences between Eichel and Matthews.

For the record, if I had to look at differences between the two, I would simplify it by saying say Eichel is going to be the more physically imposing, difficult to stop, player whereas Matthews will be the more dynamic guy. Both will be very good 1st line centers.
- Aetherial

Then we agree. My only issue is with those who are taking a sample size of less than one season and are anointing Matthews the clearly better player because of a 5% production gap. We need to look at these guys in 5-7 years to truly see if one is dominate over the other. But as of right now, these are equal players who at times will flip flop on production, but will probably not catch McDavid.

Thanks Tim Murray all you can do is laugh

I think pretty drastic changes can be made over the summer, especially with the expansion draft on the horizon, we'll see I guess
- mattmoulson

He either doesnt believe they can, which is alarming. Or he's saying its the vets in the room (something similar to what friedman said) which is still pretty bad.

Drama
- Der Kaiser

i feed off the chaos

Yes he is
- Der Kaiser

NO

overhaul overreaction
- Sabresfan-365

Or just explore all avenues to make this team better. Regardless of player/position.

If you're ok with watching this team do this, more power to you.



Just curious are you not one of the ones who say Risto's underlying numbers are pretty terrible?

The Leafs have a lot of work to do. Even in this winning streak, Andersen, and some luck around their own net have bailed them out too often. They need at least 2 more dmen and one has to be a top pairing guy. Rielly has been mostly horrible this year.

Buffalo has some roster issues to address. I guess that is pretty obvious. There are still some good young, one great, young players there and some good vets also.

you can still line up the team rosters and see that they are comparable. The Leafs rookie seasons give them the short term edge, but I wouldn't say Buffalo is trending down.

Do you guys think you need a goalie?
- Aetherial

if you guys get a few vets on 1 year deals, you will be in great shape for the next step, assuming it's 1 or 2 playoff rounds this year

for the sabres, lehner is not bad, not great
as long as our 18 skaters are blah, we need great in net


problem is there is not many great goalies out there

He either doesnt believe they can, which is alarming. Or he's saying its the vets in the room (something similar to what friedman said) which is still pretty bad.
- Sabresfan-365

Wait, whats all this now?

If Ristolainen can bring me a 60-70 point + young player yes I do that.
and then yes I move Kane and Reinhart for d-men and bring up Guhle and sign Antipin.

It's a roster overhaul, but again I explore all avenues.
- ImThatGuy

if your overhauling the roster, you better have a new gm

Or just explore all avenues to make this team better. Regardless of player/position.

If you're ok with watching this team do this, more power to you.



Just curious are you not one of the ones who say Risto's underlying numbers are pretty terrible?
- ImThatGuy

Yes,i just dont believe the solution is gutting the team like a fish. Not yet anyways.

The team?
- Sabresfan-365

Bylsma?

Wait, whats all this now?
- ImThatGuy

in one of his 30 thoughts pieces friedman touched on the rumoured disconnect between bylsma and the players. He suggested that if anything the disconnect is between the young players who are part of the core and the vets who are being "phased out".

If we're going to gut anyone it should be the dead weight who has the audacity to think they're on the same level as the guys we're trying to build around (looking at you gorges)

http://thehockeywriters.c...lstadt-makings-of-a-star/

That's a big ask. There are just not many around and if you look at the list, I am not sure Risto fetches any of them. I am also not sure it would be worth it. Risto could be a #1 D, almost as hard to find as a good #1C.
- Aetherial

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