a lot of people are worried about moving kane for a d-man because it creates another hole. This is one of many ways you could address that. Perhaps not everyones ideal scenario.
- Sabresfan-365

It is impossible to make this statement any less definitive.

"Perhaps,"

"not everyone's"

"ideal scenario."

Why not just come out and say: "Definitely a bad idea."

Slant/

I have never once said Kane isn't good enough for his current $$.

He also though, doesn't deserve a 1.5 million increase and a long term deal

Again, this is based on the premise we are adding a D man and have a hole to fill
- sbroads24

I would be more open to signing Kane to a long term deal if Okposo and O'Reilly weren't already tied up already. Whether you subscribe to the notion that you can only sign six guys like Chicago or not, if you sign Kane, that's a lot of money sunk into O'Reilly, Okposo, and Kane, all of whom are closer to the "good" part of the scale than "great". And that doesn't even begin to talk about what Eichel gets in his next contract. It's one of the reasons I was never a fan of the Okposo deal in the first place. It's not a terrible deal, but I felt that you could lock up someone else better down the road.

I would be more open to signing Kane to a long term deal if Okposo and O'Reilly weren't already tied up already. Whether you subscribe to the notion that you can only sign six guys like Chicago or not, if you sign Kane, that's a lot of money sunk into O'Reilly, Okposo, and Kane, all of whom are closer to the "good" part of the scale than "great". And that doesn't even begin to talk about what Eichel gets in his next contract. It's one of the reasons I was never a fan of the Okposo deal in the first place. It's not a terrible deal, but I felt that you could lock up someone else better down the road.
- buffalofan19

a lot of people are worried about moving kane for a d-man because it creates another hole. This is one of many ways you could address that. Perhaps not everyones ideal scenario.
- Sabresfan-365

The hole that moving Kane would create is not nearly as big as people think it is. And it's easier filled than a defenseman. That being said, I'm still not sure Kane will net you one.

- Der Kaiser

Not sure I get the reference here...

Shooters Pub

or

The Village Landing

both in Fairport.
- Der Kaiser

Shooters are very good, agreed. Windjammers out in Charlotte .

Not sure I get the reference here...
- buffalofan19

no reference to you.

Just a very steep line.

It is impossible to make this statement any less definitive.

"Perhaps,"

"not everyone's"

"ideal scenario."

Why not just come out and say: "Definitely a bad idea."
- Der Kaiser

Because i dont actually believe its a bad idea. It just wouldnt be my top choice.

its the difference between Ideal scenario and "acceptable" .

The hole that moving Kane would create is not nearly as big as people think it is. And it's easier filled than a defenseman. That being said, I'm still not sure Kane will net you one.
- buffalofan19

Agreed

Shooters are very good, agreed. Windjammers out in Charlotte .
- FruitPeddler

Used to be a place called Masters Deli on the corner of Lake Avenue and Stutson Street that would sell beer to ANYBODY. We got beer there all the time when we were in 9th grade. One day, we decided to test a theory and brought my little brother there - he was in 5th grade and they sold the beer to him. it was like 1977.

We used to get 8 packs of FX Matts ponies - and head down to the train trestle over the river, drink up, and then grab some chow at the LDR Char Pit.

Effin Charlotte.

no reference to you.

Just a very steep line.
- Der Kaiser

A "Slant" if you will....

A "Slant" if you will....
- CoHo_to_B-Lo

nice play

This is one long ass illness for Okposo. Mumps?
- Sabresfan-365

He needs some wonton soup

If we could trade Kane for Brodin/Tanev/Manson, then a pick for Nash, I would be a happy man

The hole that moving Kane would create is not nearly as big as people think it is. And it's easier filled than a defenseman. That being said, I'm still not sure Kane will net you one.
- buffalofan19

There are 30 players in the NHL with more goals than Kane this year.

Which one of those players above or right around him in goal production be available and at what price?

I agree with the notion that finding a top 3 defensemen is harder than finding a top 6 winger but a 27 goal scorer this year is not an easy find.

The hole that moving Kane would create is not nearly as big as people think it is. And it's easier filled than a defenseman. That being said, I'm still not sure Kane will net you one.
- buffalofan19

Not directed at you, just this concept as a whole. If the general consensus is that it's easier to find a winger as a replacement then a D-man, why would any GM give up a D-man for a winger of similar quality? Sure, the expansion draft might play into this, but I can't imagine that there will be a shortage of teams that won't try and work their way into getting a quality D-man for something, basically still having it be a sellers market. That's if you subscribe to the theory that top-two D-men are only trumped by first line centers, which seems to be the thinking of most people, GM's most likely included.

Not directed at you, just this concept as a whole. If the general consensus is that it's easier to find a winger as a replacement then a D-man, why would any GM give up a D-man for a winger of similar quality? Sure, the expansion draft might play into this, but I can't imagine that there will be a shortage of teams that won't try and work their way into getting a quality D-man for something, basically still having it be a sellers market. That's if you subscribe to the theory that top-two D-men are only trumped by first line centers, which seems to be the thinking of most people, GM's most likely included.
- SDSabre

They probably wouldn't. But that's unfortunately the situation we are in.

That's why guys who have a high ceiling but maybe are slumping, or have fallen down the depth charts would be the targets.

If we could trade Kane for Brodin/Tanev/Manson, then a pick for Nash, I would be a happy man
- chilliard77

if they could land one of manson or tanev id be doing back flips..or at least attempting

If we could trade Kane for Brodin/Tanev/Manson, then a pick for Nash, I would be a happy man
- chilliard77

Agreed.

Last year, and this year

Nash - 38 goals 74 points - 126 games
Kane - 47 goals - 76 points -131 games


Obviously Nash is aging, but again, it's a stop gap while Nylander or whomever develops while adding a D

Agreed.

Last year, and this year

Nash - 38 goals 74 points - 126 games
Kane - 47 goals - 76 points -131 games


Obviously Nash is aging, but again, it's a stop gap while Nylander or whomever develops while adding a D
- sbroads24

I like Nash because he should come cheap with his cap hit

Agreed.

Last year, and this year

Nash - 38 goals 74 points - 126 games
Kane - 47 goals - 76 points -131 games


Obviously Nash is aging, but again, it's a stop gap while Nylander or whomever develops while adding a D
- sbroads24

whats the term on Nash's deal?

I like Nash because he should come cheap with his cap hit
- chilliard77

Wonder if NY would swap him for Ennis, save 3 and half mil about, and get a player back instead of dumping him for a 2nd or 3rd or whatever

whats the term on Nash's deal?
- IndianaSabresFan

1 year (or about 65 games in Rick Nash's time) left

Used to be a place called Masters Deli on the corner of Lake Avenue and Stutson Street that would sell beer to ANYBODY. We got beer there all the time when we were in 9th grade. One day, we decided to test a theory and brought my little brother there - he was in 5th grade and they sold the beer to him. it was like 1977.

We used to get 8 packs of FX Matts ponies - and head down to the train trestle over the river, drink up, and then grab some chow at the LDR Char Pit.

Effin Charlotte.
- Der Kaiser

Sounds like a story my father would be able to relate to, he hung around the area quite a bit, being from Irondeqoit. Good stuff.

Wonder if NY would swap him for Ennis, save 3 and half mil about, and get a player back instead of dumping him for a 2nd or 3rd or whatever
- sbroads24

I would be fine with an Ennis for Nash swap.

But giving up more assets (2nd round, or higher) for 1 year of Nash isn't ideal.

I am on board for getting Nash on the cheap