Carol Schram: Kids score, Vancouver Canucks improve draft lottery odds in loss to Coyotes Vancouver Canucks fans took pleasure in watching their team drop a 4-3 decision to the Arizona Coyotes on Thursday, moving the Canucks to 29th place in the NHL standings and improving their draft lottery odds.

"I know there's talk of trading a defenseman for scoring help, but I don't think the Canucks are deep enough yet to really be ready to start offloading blue line talent!"

There it is right there.
Agree 100%.

Trade Hutton

Trade Gudbranson
- CanuckDon

Totally

problem is they aren't deep at any position really. Goalie may be ok.
No matter what they do they are robbing peter to pay paul.

But more goals sells more than 2-0, 3-1 losses..

"I know there's talk of trading a defenseman for scoring help, but I don't think the Canucks are deep enough yet to really be ready to start offloading blue line talent!"

There it is right there.
Agree 100%.
- Whiskey-Tango

They have depth but none of it is high quality depth. Outside of OJ are any of our guys projecting to be legit top 4 guys?? Stetcher, Hutton and Tryamkin are all good young players but its to early to say what their long term projections are.

Thats why dealing edler and tanev for picks or legit prospects is crucial.

And gudbranson is not top 4. I like his game but he is a bottom pairing shutdown type. See bryan Allen/schenn etc.

His contract is way to long to want to take back. If im them im asking LV to take it even if I have to toss in something huge.

Sabres would have to be picks.

Philly Id try rubstov or picks. Sanhiem looks alright.
- mauryballstein

Yeah I wonder if Tampa can convince any team to take that contract if they give up something with him ?

Philly is in a weird spot ...they have it backwards with their D being younger than their forwards

problem is they aren't deep at any position really. Goalie may be ok.
No matter what they do they are robbing peter to pay paul.

But more goals sells more than 2-0, 3-1 losses..
- storm88

This exactly

Totally
- Whiskey-Tango

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Hank:

'It's no fluke we are where we are'.

#65pointsnextyear

Yeah I wonder if Tampa can convince any team to take that contract if they give up something with him ?

Philly is in a weird spot ...they have it backwards with their D being younger than their forwards
- Redmile247

Philly is kinda backwards and thats why I thought trading for some quality Dmen to fill in holes would be best. They at least have a couple high skill guys back there so if they could pair them with some decent solid dmen who could still play on the team for years would probably be good as theyd likely make the playoffs once they add a goalie.

Buffalo is similar to philly although they have nothing on D other risto.

TB has cobourn with 2 years left, so that would be ok, id hope JB doesnt go for cap dumps longer than 2 years. I do like callahans game but at that hit and 3 years remaining Maybe if they gave a 2nd LV bites.

Hank:

'It's no fluke we are where we are'.

#65pointsnextyear


- LordHumungous

Can't quite storm, but I agree. BUt you still have to move aging players to get younger. Edler is the guy to go, while he still has value.

Great writeup Carol, two 'real nice' goals by the kids and the tank in full-effect

Philly is kinda backwards and thats why I thought trading for some quality Dmen to fill in holes would be best. They at least have a couple high skill guys back there so if they could pair them with some decent solid dmen who could still play on the team for years would probably be good as theyd likely make the playoffs once they add a goalie.

Buffalo is similar to philly although they have nothing on D other risto.

TB has cobourn with 2 years left, so that would be ok, id hope JB doesnt go for cap dumps longer than 2 years. I do like callahans game but at that hit and 3 years remaining Maybe if they gave a 2nd LV bites.
- mauryballstein

The thing is do you think the cap will be an issue for the Canucks in the next 2-3 seasons ? The sedins come off the books too

I could see the sabres looking to add a Tanev ...not Edler though

Hank:

'It's no fluke we are where we are'.

#65pointsnextyear


- LordHumungous

Assuming we actually have a power-play next season and they get a little support, I don't think its unreasonable for them to be in the 60 range.

All things considered, for the second lowest scoring team in the league, they have 48 and 42 points respectively, our leading scorer has 51 pts lol.

Totally
- Whiskey-Tango

Assuming we actually have a power-play next season and they get a little support, I don't think its unreasonable for them to be in the 60 range.

All things considered, for the second lowest scoring team in the league, they have 48 and 42 points respectively, our leading scorer has 51 pts lol.
- Whiskey-Tango

While I'd like to see it, realistically I think 50-55 is where the Sedins will max out next year if they are healthy...and if they pass to Boeser.

The thing is do you think the cap will be an issue for the Canucks in the next 2-3 seasons ? The sedins come off the books too

I could see the sabres looking to add a Tanev ...not Edler though
- Redmile247

The cap shouldnt be an issue as the team will suck for a couple more years. Miller, burrows, hansen, sedins, edler all coming off this season or next couple.

Edler would be the sabres 2nd best dman. So i think they would want any help possible price depending.

Who do you think the flames take in the 1st? Or position should look to add. Have depth in goal and a young D core with a few prospects coming.

Outside looking in, id say probably a center cus Bennett is all over the place it seems in the line up.

While I'd like to see it, realistically I think 50-55 is where the Sedins will max out next year if they are healthy...and if they pass to Boeser.
- LordHumungous

We don't have a first line. We have no depth. These things are known Jon Snow

While I'd like to see it, realistically I think 50-55 is where the Sedins will max out next year if they are healthy...and if they pass to Boeser.
- LordHumungous

Yeah, its hard to say.
Their lack of production could be attributed to just about anything (age, roster, coaching etc, etc, etc).

That said, Daniel had 28 goals, 61 pts just last season and its not as though he was any quicker, so theres hope.

(Giving optimism a chance).

Assuming we actually have a power-play next season and they get a little support, I don't think its unreasonable for them to be in the 60 range.

All things considered, for the second lowest scoring team in the league, they have 48 and 42 points respectively, our leading scorer has 51 pts lol.
- Whiskey-Tango

Its actually sickening to see Edler continually NOT pass to Boeser on the PP.

I mean we've been looking for a right hand sniper with a rocket for ages, now we got one and the so called "quarterback" at the line won't feed him. The guy is infuriating.

I'm not comparing Boeser to Ovy, but there's a reason you put a guy that can wire the puck on his off wing on the PP. Time and time again you see guys having so much success in that position. Hutton or Stecher would be the best bet for Boeser next season.

- NorthNuck

Thanks Carol for bringing up the youth. So confused why there is this negativity toward them. Like all that is important is to get draft picks but not develop. Sort of like the pro life politicians who are all about making sure there is a birth but doing nothing to nourish the child.

So there is this belief out there that Nuck youth are no more then AHL players. Which means no use in developing them into NHL regulars.

So where do you rate Stecher, Goldy, Tree, Hutton, BB and Molino?

They have depth but none of it is high quality depth. Outside of OJ are any of our guys projecting to be legit top 4 guys?? Stetcher, Hutton and Tryamkin are all good young players but its to early to say what their long term projections are.

Thats why dealing edler and tanev for picks or legit prospects is crucial.

And gudbranson is not top 4. I like his game but he is a bottom pairing shutdown type. See bryan Allen/schenn etc.
- mauryballstein

Thanks Carol for bringing up the youth. So confused why there is this negativity toward them. Like all that is important is to get draft picks but not develop. Sort of like the pro life politicians who are all about making sure there is a birth but doing nothing to nourish the child.

So there is this belief out there that Nuck youth are no more then AHL players. Which means no use in developing them into NHL regulars.

So where do you rate Stecher, Goldy, Tree, Hutton, BB and Molino?
- Nuck4U

Hutton is statistically a AHL player. I like the rest but TRee has hit the wall with his fitness and needs to step it up. The bottom six cant seem to score. SUtter is the best of the bunch, but the group is AHL caliber for the most part.